Not RX vhf anymore.

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kc8zdf

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Well here is my question. I have always left the scanner on when talking on my ham radio. I typical use 5watts of power for the local repeaters but I have used 50watts with the scanner on before. Now here's the problem, yesterday I went to go rx weather which in my area is 162.550mhz and could not rx it. When I first bought the scanner no problem at all rx the weather station. So I think I might have desensitized the rx on my scanner. Has anyone else had this happen? Also the scanner antenna is spaced about 20 inches from ham antenna. Does the radio shack pro-96 have some type of rf blocker I guess you could say to save the scanner from being overloaded?

My friend was telling me when he went by cellphone towers that the his front end on his scanner would be overloaded. Making the scanner not be able to decode the digital signal. I could not figure this out becasue when I went by cellphone towers never made the scanner not be able to decode digital. So we did some testing. There is a cellphone tower located in Fenton, Mi that when my friend goes by the cellphone tower he can't decode at all. So we brought my scanner which is a pro-96 and he brought his 996t and two of his pro-96's. We first hooked up his 996t. Sure enough could not decode. Then we tried both of his pro-96's and they would sometimes decode but not always. Then we tried my pro-96 and decoded just fine. We were so stumped by this. Trying out so many scanners and only mine was working. Well next week I went back over to my friends house and he was listing to the weather station just fine. So I turned my pro-96 on and could not hear weather station at all. So we came to the conslusion that my rx was desensitized. So there is the story behind what we determind.

The scanner still works fine on 800mhz but not on vhf. The other thing bout this is I don't have to worrie bout missing anything when i'm going by a cellphone antenna and works really good on on simolcast systemes.
 

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Very well can be de-sensitized.

However, not more from having another transmitting antenna nearby. Were there any occurnaces where you may have been exposed to a local lightning strike? I have a 2 meter Alinco in my vehicle where last fall I went through a heavy T-storm. Shortly after I noticed the reception was not as it's usual. When I tested it on the bench, I found that the front end pin diodes were blown out, so after replacing them, i'm back up to snuff.

I've seen this happen before in some public safety vehicles with larger 5/8 wave antennas more so from static electricity.

hope this helps.
rcvmo
 

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I would say that having the antennas that close probably blew the front end of your
scanner. You can't have transmitters shoving power into the scanner and expect it to
survive.

Jim
 

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Never have had a lighting strike hit antennas yet on the roof. However Jim is probley right cause 50watts of power is a lot of rf going to a front end of a scanner. The scanner still works great on 800mhz though. I can't figure that out. But anyway thats all I listen too around the area here. Next time I buy a new scanner I will not transmit with it on. I knew not to do this but when doing skywarn and listening to what the police are reporting you kinda forget about not turning the scanner off first. O well little mistake. Thanks guys for the replies..



73, kc8zdf Brian.
 
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I did the same thing years ago to a handheld scanner.
Typically speaking, handheld scanners are made to be pretty sensitive with just the rubber duck antenna. If you use an external antenna with the HT it gets even easier to overload.
If you get the transmitting antenna too close to the scanner, it won't take much to cook it.
How close were the antennas together ?

The good part is you can probably get your PRO-96 fixed by radio Shack for a decent price.
Best of luck....
 

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The antennas are probley about 20" aprart so that did not help. Also the 50 watts output did not really help either. So I will probley answer my next questiong myself but do mobile scanners have some type of protection to the front end and hand helds dont? I guess there is really no protechtions to any front end but is there some? Some type of diode or ground so that the rf does not affect it so much I guess?

73, kc8zdf Brian
 

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Mobile radios generally have more solid front ends because they expect external antenna's.
The general rule is to get the antennas as far away as possible.
On a vehilce you can put the transmitting antenna on the trunk and the scanner antenna up front on the hood via an "L" bracket. I did that for a while and never had an issue.

If the antennas are on the same horizontal plane they should be 1 wavelength apart.
If they ate are different horizontal planes, like the roof of the car and the trunk, they can be a half wavelength apart.

Thanks,
 

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I can't speak specifically to the Pro-96, but I blew the front end of my Pro-2067 by transmitting too many times with it on. The scanner antenna is on the front fender and the transmit antenna is on the roof. Both with drilled and bonded NMO's. 800 MHz still receives fine, but nothing else. I "believe" that the 800 receive section bypasses the RF amplifier at the front end. I can still trunktrack EDACS and Motorola 800 trunk systems with no loss of performance or sensitivity.
 

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Ok verygood. That to explains why my 800mhz works just fine but the vhf portion does not.

Well thanks for all the post and info. Interesting how other people had the samething happen.

73, kc8zdf Brian
 
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