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How come DMRT3 frequencies can't be programmed as an OFT system?

OFT is deaf to any T3 frequencies even though its digital.

Here in New Zealand we have some weird frequencies that are Tier3 mode but has no control channel. Its just how the repeater is setup.

I can only program it as conventional which is missing the extra features that OFT and MotoTrbo has in the scanner.
 

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Its been pretty well known here on the forums that the unidens firmware is flawed on various scanners when it comes to DMRT3, especially when it comes to Hytera systems. Maybe @JoeBearcat can chime in and let us know if Uniden is working on this bug and when we should expect to see a firmware update.
 

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Its been pretty well known here on the forums that the unidens firmware is flawed on various scanners when it comes to DMRT3, especially when it comes to Hytera systems. Maybe @JoeBearcat can chime in and let us know if Uniden is working on this bug and when we should expect to see a firmware update.
Indeed but even so I think it should be able to be programmed as an OFT and not be deaf to it. OFT blatantly ignores T3 and only heard DMR only. (Apart from NXDN etc)
 

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I am still waiting for them to allocate the time for 'the list', but they are working on some issues.
 

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OFT is meant for single frequency digital channels, but can be used for other systems. Your mileage may vary.
 

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DMR Tier 3 is trunking. If this system is not trunked but still Tier 3 maybe the manufacturer isn't following the DMR standards and that's the real cause of your issue.
 

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Ok well I'm reporting it doesn't work for DMRT3 at all!
There's something special with that system of yours that doesn't use a control channel but still being a DT3 system. I have programmed my DT3 systems as OFT when they where setup and didn't know what site or channels that belonged to what. It worked as expected and received all TG's. I even have a DMR Tier II radio scanning the DT3 voice channels and it receives all TG calls.

It has to be the scanner that incorrectly says DT3. Couldn't it be some sort of a multichannel XPT system? But it would still work if programmed as OFT as that will ignore all channel/LCN info.

The function of that system to work without a dedicated control channel has to be like a Cap+ system, that radios get assigned a frequency and when a TG gets active it is sent out on the slot that sends control data info and says what frequency and slot that the TG got assigned. Then after the calls ends the radios that took part of the call are returning to their rest channel. But why the need to not transmit a continuous control channel seems strange.

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There's something special with that system of yours that doesn't use a control channel but still being a DT3 system. I have programmed my DT3 systems as OFT when they where setup and didn't know what site or channels that belonged to what. It worked as expected and received all TG's. I even have a DMR Tier II radio scanning the DT3 voice channels and it receives all TG calls.

It has to be the scanner that incorrectly says DT3. Couldn't it be some sort of a multichannel XPT system? But it would still work if programmed as OFT as that will ignore all channel/LCN info.

The function of that system to work without a dedicated control channel has to be like a Cap+ system, that radios get assigned a frequency and when a TG gets active it is sent out on the slot that sends control data info and says what frequency and slot that the TG got assigned. Then after the calls ends the radios that took part of the call are returning to their rest channel. But why the need to not transmit a continuous control channel seems strange.

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100%! Considering there only 1 TGID on these weird sites.

DSD+ shows it as TIII BS whatever BS means so the scanner is correct. It just doesn't like receiving them unless programmed as conv.

As for the creators of the site, I'm not sure if they're aware what they've done or if they've created a special channel deliberately.

There is a couple of sites that do seem to be connected with 2 frequencies and 2 different colour codes but all the same transmissions. They have the same DMRT3 without the trunking of CC.

I've emailed the radio tech provider company to see what it is but they have not replied.
 

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Also I am using a USDS100 which may also be the cause of the OFT not working for Tier3.
I have had problems with OFT before, it had a fw glitch where OFT would kill the scan speed of analog conventional if scanned alongside. Would drop the scan speed down to single digits.

I had to get uniden AU to provide a new FW to me or I was returning the scanner.....I got the new FW which has never been released to the public yet....
So I have the only USDS100 with that one and only FW.
 

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Also I am using a USDS100 which may also be the cause of the OFT not working for Tier3.
That's probably the reason that you can't use OFT as that should always work.

But how does the system work? The system are totally silent and when a TG call starts it begins to transmit DMR data on a frequency, at several different sites, and when the call ends all transmissions stop? It never transmits any beacon or idle bursts?

That BS notification probably stands for Base Station and could says MS for Mobile Station uplink or simplex.

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That's probably the reason that you can't use OFT as that should always work.

But how does the system work? The system are totally silent and when a TG call starts it begins to transmit DMR data on a frequency, at several different sites, and when the call ends all transmissions stop? It never transmits any beacon or idle bursts?

That BS notification probably stands for Base Station and could says MS for Mobile Station uplink or simplex.

/Ubbe
So its only 1 frequency for most of them, when PTT activated it starts the VC as DMRT3. Once finished it will drop out to idle then there's nothing until PTT again. No bursts or data.
As for the couple that are linked together on 2 freqs they actually have different colour codes but are the same transmission.

Just discovered that OFT hears the transmission for 1 or 2 seconds then it goes deaf to it. Still shows DMRT3 in background but is deaf.
 

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Once finished it will drop out to idle then there's nothing until PTT again. No bursts or data.
It has to be a programming error in the system. If it wasn't for those 2 linked sites it works just like a standalone DMR repeater system. Usually in such a system you have two different groups or users on their own slot and the system is silent until someone push his PTT and when the call is over is goes silent again.

You can link several sites in such systems, maybe what is called IP Connect and displayed as CON.

Perhaps a radio tech have just set the wrong format in the basestations to Tier III.

Why you hear the first couple of seconds in OFT and then it dies has to be a firmware problem in the scanner when it somehow detects and reacts to trunked Tier III when it should ignore it.

/Ubbe
 

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It has to be a programming error in the system. If it wasn't for those 2 linked sites it works just like a standalone DMR repeater system. Usually in such a system you have two different groups or users on their own slot and the system is silent until someone push his PTT and when the call is over is goes silent again.

You can link several sites in such systems, maybe what is called IP Connect and displayed as CON.

Perhaps a radio tech have just set the wrong format in the basestations to Tier III.

Why you hear the first couple of seconds in OFT and then it dies has to be a firmware problem in the scanner when it somehow detects and reacts to trunked Tier III when it should ignore it.

/Ubbe
I did email the tech company and they explained their setups are correct but I think they didn't fully understand.
Since then I've had no reply.

I will email Uniden Australia and let them know OFT isn't picking up T3 voice channels.
 
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