Utah_Viper
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We are really starting to get WAY to many open TG threads at a time now. This was my original concern with the idea. We need to find a solution.
Ok... Were getting flooded.
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LGLHOOK
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Utah_Viper said:
Agreed, and we are submitting info based on what we think they are or what we think they should be.
Utah_Viper
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Maybe we can get a sub forum added for this? also I still would like a Breaking incidents sub forum.
qlajlu
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This was discussed
When we were trying to decide the easiest way to be able to manage the unknown TGs we all knew that it was going to create a very large Forum. Either we have a whole lot of individual threads, or one thread which is seemingly never ending. The one redeeming feature of using individual threads is that it provides documentation and can be researched to determine why that TG was submitted to the Database in that particular fashion because all the information is contained in one thread that is not cluttered up by dozens of other TGs.
These threads will all drop off of the board eventually as new threads are created unless an update is made to them. The idea is that IF a TG is "discovered" and is "unknown," that whoever wants to post it will do a SEARCH before doing so to make sure a thread hasn't been started. If one has been started, all the info known about that TG will contained in ONE PLACE.
All of this has been laid out in the Sticky.
With so many people running UniTrunker these days, eventually we will have discovered all the TGs...at least you would think that.
When we were trying to decide the easiest way to be able to manage the unknown TGs we all knew that it was going to create a very large Forum. Either we have a whole lot of individual threads, or one thread which is seemingly never ending. The one redeeming feature of using individual threads is that it provides documentation and can be researched to determine why that TG was submitted to the Database in that particular fashion because all the information is contained in one thread that is not cluttered up by dozens of other TGs.
These threads will all drop off of the board eventually as new threads are created unless an update is made to them. The idea is that IF a TG is "discovered" and is "unknown," that whoever wants to post it will do a SEARCH before doing so to make sure a thread hasn't been started. If one has been started, all the info known about that TG will contained in ONE PLACE.
All of this has been laid out in the Sticky.
With so many people running UniTrunker these days, eventually we will have discovered all the TGs...at least you would think that.
I think these TG threads are a great idea. They stimulate research and increase accuracy of the DB. And the way they're systematically titled, they're easy to ignore for those that aren't interested. So I agree with qlajlu.
Our group moderator is loumaag, who is the default moderator for many of the RR groups. He could probably create sub-groups if we want, and he might be happy to turn over the moderator job to some interested person. But creating new groups would mean we have to search in three places for messages instead of one. So I like things the way they are.
-Tim
Our group moderator is loumaag, who is the default moderator for many of the RR groups. He could probably create sub-groups if we want, and he might be happy to turn over the moderator job to some interested person. But creating new groups would mean we have to search in three places for messages instead of one. So I like things the way they are.
-Tim
That is the best idea I have heard, Sub-Fourm that is. I would hope there is a way for them to cut and paste the current TG: XXXXX threads in to that. Would be very nice. The breaking events is a neat idea too. I have seen that on a few others states. Good place for that Utah manhunt. The WVC chase those things.
I'm sure loumaag knows how to move threads to a different group. If the subgroup idea is the way to keep everyone happy then let's pursue that. How many would prefer that as opposed to leaving things as they are?
I believe that the individual threads is still a good idea then if i post something i can check my email and know what TGID they are talking about so i agee with tim there if we can still keep the individual threads in the sub forum then im all for that too. as far as research goes thats difficult for me down here for most of the time the Unknown id's are only active for that day or just for few hours, i sometimes dont get much info from that little window in time thats its active on Ford. the most active stuff like sl uhp south airmed and sl co UHP is most of what i get all the other is intermittened. so i usually post so if you guys hear it you will get more info than i cuz you have more opportunities to hear it.
also what system is all those unknowns fro 7202 ucan or other? also i think if we do make a sub forum we should if we can seperate the ucan unknowns from the sl
ac33 and those other off ucan systems and specify it as such. i have some that aren't ucan i still need to post when i get a chance. dont look like tonight i would try, just would be more flooding.
also what system is all those unknowns fro 7202 ucan or other? also i think if we do make a sub forum we should if we can seperate the ucan unknowns from the sl
ac33 and those other off ucan systems and specify it as such. i have some that aren't ucan i still need to post when i get a chance. dont look like tonight i would try, just would be more flooding.
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qlajlu
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Let me see if I can interpret what you have said here, enosjones. You want us to make a separate sub-forum for the SL AC33 system and another sub-forum for all the UCAN Sites. Is that what your are trying to say? (Not to be picky, but I find your writings very hard to read and understand without punctuation and capitalization.)enosjones said:
If my interpretation is correct, I will have to disagree with you. We (I) have taken pains to identify which system the unknown TGs posted has come from. Unless specifically noted otherwise, the unknown TG is from the UCAN system and we attempt to identify which of UCAN's Sites it was heard on. Although knowing what Site the unknown TG is heard on is not always posted, the ability to hear that TG in the SL valley is fairly good even if it is say, a Davis County or Weber County TG. You shouldn't be affected by that too much unless you are traveling.
As far as having a sub-forum for each system I have to oppose that idea. Simply putting the unknown TGID and system in the title of the thread should suffice and one sub-forum will contain only the unknowns (as I understand the proposal).
We also need to brace for the SL AC33 Site because it and the airport are in the process of integrating and we do not know what kind of chaos may come of that for us. However, I personally feel that one sub-forum, if it is decided that is what we want to do, will still take care of any unknowns on that system as well.
If you will continue to submit your unknowns like you have in the past, we will do our best to identify them like we have done. Because of the distance between your location and ours, you have to admit, does take it all to a whole new level. Just do a search before you start a new unknown thread to make sure it hasn't already been reported and "in the system."
Sub-Forum?
So should we see if a Sub-Forum can be done?
Yes or No
Please respond back to this thread...
So should we see if a Sub-Forum can be done?
Yes or No
Please respond back to this thread...
ka3jjz
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Folks in the SC area set up a Wiki page for their unknowns for the Palmetto system so they could be worked on and viewed by anyone - that is certainly a possibility in place of having a 'sub forum'.
73s Mike
73s Mike
The one problem I have with that is:
Anyone can then alter what others post. With this board you can not alter a person's post. One of the reasons behind the threads for the unknown TG's was to create a history of what went in to the identification of it. If people can alter the comments then you have no real feel for the ebb and flow of the discussion on what the TG really is. Looking at past posts on TG's there has been good input from all that had information and then the general consenus of the ID and name.ka3jjz said:
Sorry about the lack of periods and caps. However the only reason i suggested the sl ac33 system in a different thread/sub-forum is to just seperate the 2, i do have a few off the ac33 system back when i traveled to sl in 7/06 so not to confuse people like i might be if i was to mesh them together.
I know i cant hear the ac33 system here in Price but when/if i travel to slc i would like to already have it in my scanner w/o any further research on it.
However if it is just one sub-forum just need to make sure it is specified with in the topic thread or subject just so we are not thinking its from UCAN or visa-versa. Just a suggestion.
Otherwise I do agree with the sub-forum idea as long its as easy access from the main forum page as the Utah forum is.
Hopefully this is better.
I know i cant hear the ac33 system here in Price but when/if i travel to slc i would like to already have it in my scanner w/o any further research on it.
However if it is just one sub-forum just need to make sure it is specified with in the topic thread or subject just so we are not thinking its from UCAN or visa-versa. Just a suggestion.
Otherwise I do agree with the sub-forum idea as long its as easy access from the main forum page as the Utah forum is.
Hopefully this is better.
KT7L
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I agree with Rolfman -- keep threads by TG, and keep adding to them, if necessary, until they fall off the back of the history wagon.
What is still foggy to me, is a methodlogy to determine when to actually change the RR database. Also related, why did so many TG's get removed from the database in the past, even though they still show up on our "old, trusty, dustly" lists?
What is still foggy to me, is a methodlogy to determine when to actually change the RR database. Also related, why did so many TG's get removed from the database in the past, even though they still show up on our "old, trusty, dustly" lists?
Global Warming?
enos I think we can just get in the habbit of adding the system to the Thread Title Line. i.e. UCAN, AC33 etc... and that will clear that up.
AB7ST The thing I have tried to do is when I open a thread on a TG is to have some information already about what is happening there, mostly to help start the discussion about it. But either way I tend to look at it as I "own" that thread until it is closed and the data becomes submitted. Believe me I am not trying to suggest that "My way is the right way" I am just saying that is what I choose to do and that is what works for me.
enos I think we can just get in the habbit of adding the system to the Thread Title Line. i.e. UCAN, AC33 etc... and that will clear that up.
AB7ST The thing I have tried to do is when I open a thread on a TG is to have some information already about what is happening there, mostly to help start the discussion about it. But either way I tend to look at it as I "own" that thread until it is closed and the data becomes submitted. Believe me I am not trying to suggest that "My way is the right way" I am just saying that is what I choose to do and that is what works for me.
Latest News Update Posted on 2004-12-10 03:24:58AB7ST said:
I think it stems from this. But I'm not sure if tim posted this 3 yrs ago or someone else. Posted at the top of the DB.
I did an overhaul of all the talkgroups. About 200 new IDs were added and many were corrected. A few incorrect ones were deleted. Sorry for having to re-do the entire list. I know it makes it difficult to see the new ones, but it was the only way to make sure the list was accurate. City agencies that do not have their own dispatch channel are listed under the County they belong to.
On the issue of missing TGs, I don't have a clue. I've only been a DB admin since early this year and have mostly focused on conventional listings. The only person I can think to ask is N7OLQ, but he doesn't get on much anymore (which is why I'm paying more attention to UCAN).
I wrote loumaag about options on the forums. He said any new subgroups or new forum moderators would have to be decided by Lindsay Blanton (the RR Admin). He wasn't sure what Lindsay would think of a TG research subforum, but he said he would forward my question to him.
Lou said that a moderator could move existing threads to a subgroup. He said you can't change the name of a thread, but he suggested that we could "close" resolved theads, which would move them to the bottom of the list (or we could list the unresolved ones as "sticky").
I'll let you know if I hear anything more. -Tim
I wrote loumaag about options on the forums. He said any new subgroups or new forum moderators would have to be decided by Lindsay Blanton (the RR Admin). He wasn't sure what Lindsay would think of a TG research subforum, but he said he would forward my question to him.
Lou said that a moderator could move existing threads to a subgroup. He said you can't change the name of a thread, but he suggested that we could "close" resolved theads, which would move them to the bottom of the list (or we could list the unresolved ones as "sticky").
I'll let you know if I hear anything more. -Tim
qlajlu
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Yes, that is WAY better. Thank you very much. I hate being an ogre.enosjones said:
Me too. As Rolfman said, I would distrust the Wiki in this circumstance simply because there is no security and we would also lose the history to why the ID was made.AB7ST said:
Nuff said on that!theaton said:
After opening all those threads yesterday, please tell me that they are not all MINE.Rolfman said:
For a background to those members "out of the know," I sent a PM to theaton expressing concern on a way to be able to identify the resolved unknowns so a person wouldn't have to open each and every unknown TG thread to see if it had been identified and submitted. I have seen boards where technical questions are asked that allow a check-mark or "X" to be placed in the title of the thread upon resolution, but as you know, once the thread is started here, NO ONE can alter or edit the title. Locking the thread after it had been submitted would be a great way, in my estimation, to take care of that problem. If any new info came to light later, the thread could be unlocked (by a Mod) to continue adding to it.theaton said:
Again, I think a Wiki page for this is NOT the way to go. A separate sub-forum would group the unknowns in one place so that scrolling through the entire forum would not be necessary, however, doing a search would locate the thread just as easily (and faster) if we did not start a sub-forum.
NO! A sticky is simply a thread and we would then have all these unknowns in one thread and that is what we are trying to get away from by having separate threads per unknown TG. Besides, when something (a post) is added to a thread, that thread boils to the top of the forum and thereby gains attention from the rest of the members allowing them to notice new information. That would not happen in a sticky.theaton said:
I gotta tell ya, I'm lovin' this discussion and seeing all the input from the members. I am also glad to have theaton making regular visits. I would like to ask theaton what is going on throughout the rest of RR.com that has made our little world so popular as of late. We have all noticed an increased visitation by members of other states and and forums and some of them have felt compelled to offer advice when it does not concern them. theaton, what gives with that? What is causing the increased scrutiny?
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Utah_Viper
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My problem was I normally look at the 1st page of Utah threads. Yesterday I had to click to the 2nd page to find anything other then the TG threads. A sub-forum would be great. It would be searchable still, and would not clutter the main board with dozens of topics.
The reason I like the individual thread idea because of all the input on each TG if we were to put it all in one thread then we or I wouldn't know which TG was being talked about.
As far as the punctuation goes just as a side note I kinda thought this was an informal forum I usually type alot faster with out some of the extra stuff besides, me typing on one keyboard that misses letter and one that had pop spilled on it I don't have alot of choices.
I enjoy the input givin hopefully we can figure out a way to make it so the TG's are ID'd without a too big of a mess.
As far as the punctuation goes just as a side note I kinda thought this was an informal forum I usually type alot faster with out some of the extra stuff besides, me typing on one keyboard that misses letter and one that had pop spilled on it I don't have alot of choices.
I enjoy the input givin hopefully we can figure out a way to make it so the TG's are ID'd without a too big of a mess.
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