On SW it sounds like an aircraft engine?

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Ever since I was a kid back in the 60's I would tune inbetween the international broadcast bands into the utility areas and hear what sounds like the roaring of a multi engine aircraft. Of course in my imagination I would become a pilot while listening to it. I remember listening to it on my fathers floor model old time Philco radio from the 30's. I still hear the same signal today through out the bands and it's not RITTY or since it dates back at least to the 60's, it can't be the newer modes.

Anyone have an idea?
 

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I know exactly what you are talking about and my first guess is that it is a country trying to jam or block another countries broadcast on a certain frequency. Found this on Wiki, notice the second paragraph.

Radio jamming in North Korea

Since it is illegal for North Koreans to listen to anything other than state-run radio, all legal radio receivers are sold fixed so they can tune only to channels approved by the government.[2] Because the receiver channels are fixed, North Korea does not need to jam any South Korean private television and radio broadcasts (such as MBC, SBS, etc.). North Korea does jam some of South Korea's state-owned radio and television broadcasts. Before the (early 2007) closure of South Korean shortwave domestic radio broadcasts (which were often targeted at the North) 3930 kHz KBS Radio 1 and 6015 and 6135 kHz KBS Radio Korean Ethnicity (formerly KBS Radio Social Education) had been severely jammed by the North.

The type of the jamming on shortwave is 'Jet Plane Noise', which makes it very hard to hear the radio broadcasts. North Korea also jams South Korea's clandestine shortwave broadcast, Echo of Hope, and the South Korean international shortwave broadcasts of KBS World Radio on 5975 kHz (discontinued as of early 2007) and 7275 kHz. The South Korean national radio channel, KBS Radio 1 on 711 kHz medium-wave is also jammed by the North. Before the bilateral declaration in 2000, KBS Radio 1 used to deliver certain programmes (merged with then KBS Radio Social Education) which condemned the North Korean regime at midnight. A visitor to coastal areas of the Yellow Sea (covering coastal parts of Gyeonggi Province, Incheon, Chungcheong, and sometimes Jeolla regions) who tunes into 711 kHz (KBS Radio 1 Seoul) may hear strange beeping sounds, which seem to be jamming signals from the North.
 

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Yes, but the OP said 'in between the broadcast bands'.

I have one here on 4.250kHz, which fills a 2.5kHz bandwidth slot exactly. It has been on 24/7 at about S9 for at least a year. I can't see it being a jammer so my guess it's a military data transmission of some sort. It's more white noise with a 'rotating' sort of modulation. Here it is as a USB signal, hence the offset...

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and here is it's audio spectrum...

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Iv'e compared it to all the sounds of various modulations and come up blank!
 

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Thanks for the response. Yes, it sounds just like an old multi-prop airplane instead of jet noise. I figured it was some sort of data transmissions that date back to the 60's. I'm glad I'm not the only one stumped.

To go off topic a little, concerning the numbers stations that still are around, I had an Airforce contact years ago that said some of the numbers stations were likely back-up ground to ground HF links for the silos.
 

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What Majoco is showing is DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale), basically digital AM radio. There are standalone receivers to listen in but a modified shortwave receiver with discriminator output and DREAM software will also allow a listener to tune in.
 

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er...detector output, not discriminator...remember there IS a difference!

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For those that aren't familiar with DRM...and with apologies to Clint Eastwood...

DRM

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What Majoco is showing is DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale), basically digital AM radio. There are standalone receivers to listen in but a modified shortwave receiver with discriminator output and DREAM software will also allow a listener to tune in.

I don't believe that image is DRM. The reason some receivers need to be modified to allow DRM use is because the bandwidth of DRM is around 10 kHz as most commonly used on SW and most SW receivers do not include the ability to pass that wide a signal through the stock filters in the required modes.

Since the signal Majoco is showing is about 2.5 kHz wide it is maybe 1/4 the normal DRM bandwidth.

Actual DRM standards can be anything from 4 to 100 kHz wide, but most as used on HF are about 10 kHz wide.

T!
 

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Well, I downloaded the DReaM software to see if it would decode the signal. Unfortunately there are no signals in the broadcast bands to check if I have installed it correctly, but it gave all the signs of working if I had a strong enough station. Both the RNZ signals are far too high frequency to be any good to me. Anyway, it couldn't make anything out of the signal on 4.250 so I guess it's not a DRM derivative.
 

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Also on 12850.

(I would have edited my post, but I don't see a place to click on to edit it)
Now, this one shows an edit, where the previous one does not.
 

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Nuttin' wrong with the DReaM software - decoded All India Radio Digital on 9950kHz at 2025z with an S8 signal. SNR about 20dB - good audio quality although not quite as good as FM.
 

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I downloaded Dream software last night and going to give it a try with my Icom PCR-1000. Looks pretty cool.
 

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Don't get frustrated by it's apparent lock-ups. You need to have all the soundcard ins and outs correct or it just sits there. Does your PCR-1000 work from the USB or audio inputs? It needs digitised IF to offset the 12kHz. I'm using a WinRadio G303e and extract the IF via the "virtual" (ie digital) soundcard.
 

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Ever since I was a kid back in the 60's I would tune inbetween the international broadcast bands into the utility areas and hear what sounds like the roaring of a multi engine aircraft...

...Anyone have an idea?

It's multiplexed RTTY signals - narrow shift, various baud rates all muxed to a single carrier.
 
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