Ottawa Airport security

[Torontoteamone]

Frequency	License	Type	Tone	Alpha Tag	Description	Mode	Tag
453.0875	BM		Air Canada	Air Canada	FM	Business
461.6375	VCZ54	RM		Air Canada	Air Canada	FM	Business
462.425	CYA5	RM		Air Canada	Air Canada	FM	Business
469.350	VOT977	BM		Air Canada	Air Canada	FM	Business
460.2125	XLJ706	RM	110.9 PL	Airport Ops	Airport Operations	FM	Business
460.3375	VAJ538	RM		US Airways	US Airways	FM	Business

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Is this considered trunked for Air Canada ?

Cap + is DMR mode so you should be ok using the DMR mode to listen to it. Following the trunked may be a bit harder as I do not know if the BCD325 P2 follows Cap+.


From @gary123
I did look at my user manual and my BCD 325P2 can follow Cap+ system but I did find this Air Canada freq. I’m just wondering if that a trunk system?

 

[Torontoteamone]

So I am doing some experiments. I found a CAP Plus site that has a lot of freq's. It has range of 26.6 I have it locked on a control channel. I am going to see if that will pick up the airport system. I know it a long shot but want to try it out.

So I just programmed that other CAP site for DMR. I programmed the airport TG 71 which is operations, and I see CAP symbol and 1 signal bar and the control channel below.

The Air Canada frequencies are not CAP+. Possible explanation is in DSD+ Event window if
you were monitoring a CAP+ system then switch frequencies to conventional, the CAP+ may
still be displayed at the bottom, check that. If in doubt, clear the system line, may need to
exit/restart DSD+.

If you are seeing Airport TGs 11, 21....etc on the Air Canada frequencies that is interesting but
also worth checking, using RID's. Airport radios might be able to operate on Air Canada frequencies
but does not mean they are the same system.

As mentioned earlier, TG numbers can be the same in different systems but be unrelated. In my
logs I find several TG 1000's etc. on different systems.

I found this old Post from Dave regarding Air Canada. I'm not really sure what he means, but I'm still looking for more info about Air Canada.

 

[Torontoteamone]

I went to the CYOW plane watching lot with my DSD+ full version and knowledge of how to use it last week.
I can confirm that:

Airport Authority System:
Neighbor is Site 1
461.4125 is Cap+ Site 2 DCC=2 This told me it is First Cap+ Repeater (Ch1 and Ch2)
463.0125 is Cap+ Site 2 DCC=2 This told me it is Second Cap+ Repeater (Ch3 and Ch4)
TG=51
This site on this system looks submit-able.

Neighbor is Site 2 - looks like it needs another frequency as it is one of the repeaters.
460.2125 is Cap+ Site 1 DCC=1
TG 51

Air Canada
Site 1
460.7000 is DMR BS DCC=8 - I need more details to confirm the rest of the frequencies for the system.
I will be going back this week or next to confirm the rest of this. I will also attach my raw data for those interested in looking at it in an up coming post.


I found this old post

So I am at the airport doing so analysis of the frequencies listed. I have been seeing and hearing activity on two of the four as follows.
461.4125 CC=2 slot 1 and 2 CAP
463.0125 CC=2 slot 1 and 2 CAP
I did a system analysis of all four programmed in using the mobile only and it says 1 frequency only.
This will give me enough to program several versions of the system to monitor on my next visit.
I'm only hearing digital on 460.7 that is licensed to Air Canada.
Frank
An FYI the Alert road parking lot is not plowed.


I will try and find more info, but I would like to know how to do this. I have been also picking up chatter on the Cap +.
I have programmed the freq. of the site

I heard some comm's from this system. I will listen tomorrow to see what the ID's are.

Site Frequency Table​

LCN	LSN	Frequency	Color Code
01	1	854.8875	5
01	2	854.8875	5
02	3	855.1375	5
02	4	855.1375	5
03	5	855.3875	5
03	6	855.3875	5
04	7	855.7625	5
04	8	855.7625	5
05	9	856.2625	5
05	10	856.2625	5
06	11	856.5125	5
06	12	856.5125	5
07	13	856.7625	5
07	14	856.7625	5

 

[Torontoteamone]

I just saw TG 201 on the Cap+ system.

It’s French. I don’t know if it's Air Canada or not, and I’m not really sure how to program the Air Canada system to be honest. That's what I would like help with now, to program the Air Canada system

I know the Air Canada TG are 1002 etc., but I don’t know what system I need or what site.

 

[Torontoteamone]

So I just programmed the Air Canada DMR conventional system now. I'm just waiting for comm's too, but I think i would hear something in the morning, as I did it at night time instead of the day.

I just would like to share this info just so i have everything i need to know

Frequency	Location	Licensee	Details
TX	118.80000	OTTAWA AIRPORT (TANM)	NAV CANADA – ONTARIO	0001273985
RX	118.80000	OTTAWA AIRPORT (TANM)	NAV CANADA – ONTARIO	0001273986
TX	121.90000	OTTAWA AIRPORT ONT	AIR CANADA	0001115473
TX	121.90000	OTTAWA AIRPORT (TANM)	NAV CANADA – ONTARIO	0001273989
RX	121.90000	OTTAWA AIRPORT (TANM)	NAV CANADA – ONTARIO	0001273990
TX	135.85000	OTTAWA AIRPORT (TANM)	NAV CANADA – ONTARIO	0001273987
RX	135.85000	OTTAWA AIRPORT (TANM)	NAV CANADA – ONTARIO	0001273988
TX	422.55000	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001757816
RX	422.55000	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001757819
TX	423.63750	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001708454
RX	423.63750	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001708460
TX	427.55000	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001757818
RX	427.55000	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001757817
TX	428.63750	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001708458
RX	428.63750	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON	BEARCOM Canada Corp.	0001708456
RX	460.21250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171254
RX	460.21250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171967
RX	461.41250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171255
RX	461.41250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171968
TX	461.56250	OTTAWA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002204070
RX	461.56250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002265458
RX	461.56250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002265470
TX	463.01250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171253
RX	463.01250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171969
TX	465.21250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171251
TX	465.21250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171964
TX	466.41250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171252
TX	466.41250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171965
RX	466.56250	OTTAWA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002204071
TX	466.56250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002265457
TX	466.56250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002265469
RX	468.01250	Ottawa International Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171256
TX	468.01250	Ottawa Airport	OTTAWA MACDONALD-CARTIER NATIONAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY	0002171966

 

[Torontoteamone]

Just want to give info on what one of the freq says it’s digital DMR conventional I believe. I am downtown now, so I’m thinking I’m out of range but when I get back to my area I will keep listening.

Rx	RX
Frequency [MHz]	427.55000
Frequency Record Identifier	0001757817
Regulatory Service	1
Communication Type	D
Conformity to Frequency Plan	A
Frequency Allocation Name	LM_CAN_UHF_DUPLEX3_12K5
Channel	B1316'
Legacy System Internationl Co-ordination Number
Analog/Digital	D
Occupied Bandwith [kHz]	7.6
Designation of Emission	7K60F7DWT
Modulation Type	LMR-DIGITAL
Filtration Installed	3
Tx Effective Radiated Power [dBW]	-
Tx Transmitter Power [W]	-
Total Losses [dB]	4.9
Analog Capacity [Channels]	1.
Digital Capacity [Mbit/s]	.064
Rx Unfaded Received Signal Level [dBW]
Rx Threshold Signal Level for BER 10e-3 [dBW]	-145
Manufacturer	Comprod
Model Number	776-70HDWTM
Gain [dBi]	7.1484
Antenna Pattern
Half-Power (3 dB) Beamwidth [Deg]
Front-to-Back Ratio [dB]
Polarization	B
Heigh Above Ground Level [m]	15
Azimuth Of Main Lobe [Deg]	0
Vertical Elevation Angle [Deg]
Station Location	MacDonald-Cartier International Airport, Ottawa, ON
Licensee Station Reference	Repeaters
Call Sign	CFZ494
Station Type	8
ITU Class of Station	FX
Staion Cost Category
Number Of Identical Stations
Reference Identifier	Ottawa Airport PushPlus
Province	ON
Latitude	45.32342778
Longitude	-75.66730833
Ground Elevation Above Mean Sea Level [m]	112
Antenna Structure Height Above Ground Level [m]	13
Congestion Zone	M
Radius Of Operation [km]	0
Satellite Name
Authorization Number	010785955-002
Service	3
Subservice	300
Licence Type	S
Authorization Status	G
In-Service Date	2019-06-12
Account Number	049090000199
Licensee Name	BEARCOM Canada Corp.
Licensee Address	79 Wellington Street,London,ON,N6B 2K4
Operational Status	-
Station Classification	-
Horizontal Power [W]	-
Vertical Power [W]	-
Standby Transmitter Information

 

[gary123]

Nice work on using the TAFL database.

The 2 52x Bearcom frequencies are site 17 on the PushPlus system (Sys ID:201). They are in the ARC-XT PushPlus 201 file. I have not identified the system/site for the 46xMHz frequencies yet. The license says they are DMR TIII. They may be a stand alone system.

 

[Torontoteamone]

@gary123 I just programmed all of the freq. I know I did it too late while it's dark, but tomorrow I will keep listening and take note of the colour codes to see which person is talking. I put them all in digital search as I don't know the colour codes.

 

[gary123]

@gary123 I just programmed all of the freq. I know I did it too late while it's dark, but tomorrow I will keep listening and take note of the colour codes to see which person is talking. I put them all in digital search as I don't know the colour codes.

Yes that is how to locate the colour codes. Usually all the channels on a particular trunked site have the same color code. This may be useful in pairing discovered frequencies.

 

[Torontoteamone]

So, I just did a Custom Search for DMR conventional I haven’t came across any chatter ye, but what I am thinking is it best it program all of the Bearcom freq as DMR conventional,

The only thing I don’t know is I don’t know what colour code the for airport sites that Bearcom owns, so I am lost what to do with that.

Oddly enough, I just tried another Custom Search and I heard the word hanger like, airport hanger. The guy said you probably left it back at the hanger.

 

[VA3JPX]

Ignore color codes. They don't serve any purpose if you are just receiving.

 

[Torontoteamone]

Ignore color codes. They don't serve any purpose if you are just receiving.

I have now have it programmed as DMR 1Freq trunk. The TG I found from looking through old posts.

 

[Torontoteamone]

Their TG's seem to be in 100-200 ranges.

 

[gary123]

Try and IDs the TG and user they can then be added to the DB.