P7100 Question

[rmiles]

Can anyone please post answers to the following questions?

1) What is the latest ADI/DSP & Flash version for the P7100 series 800MHz radio, and also the latest that is compatible with ProGrammer Ver R1605.

2) Can a P7100 that has the latest DSP & Flash be programmed with ProGrammer R1605, if the personality is crested from scratch and loaded into the radio, or must you have the newest version of ProGrammer?

3) What happens if you program a P7100 with new firmware and an old version of ProGrammer? Do you get a paperweight, or a quirky radio?

 

[MMIC]

ADI is not used with a P7100 - it is only used in radios that had the vocoder for AEGIS. The latest DSP code is R6H01. The latest radio code (flash) is R13A02.

You do not need the latest version of ProGrammer to load the newest code, however, in the near future this will no longer be true. There is no adverse effect of creating a personality from scratch and writing it into the radio, even if the radio was last programmed with a newer version of ProGrammer.

There is no ill-effect to programming a radio with new radio and/or DSP code with an old version of ProGrammer. You may not be able to access some newer features that are available to manipulate in the newer versions of ProGrammer that the new code may turn on, but your radio will not become a paperweight.

 

[rmiles]

Thanks for the reply! This P7100 does have AEGIS, so I though it may still use ADI. So ADI is only used in older (non P7100 & P5100) AEGIS radios?

 

[WCRadioGuy]

The latest version of code DOES require the latest version of ProGrammer, which is no longer Programmer. It is called Radio Personality Manager (RPM). The new RPM will not read radios programmed with Programmer. You will read the personality and save it, then open it with the new RPM. RPM will only program 7100, 5100 and Jaguar series radios starting with RU. According to the TSM, all radios with R13 code require the new RPM.

ADI is not used with a P7100 - it is only used in radios that had the vocoder for AEGIS. The latest DSP code is R6H01. The latest radio code (flash) is R13A02.

You do not need the latest version of ProGrammer to load the newest code, however, in the near future this will no longer be true. There is no adverse effect of creating a personality from scratch and writing it into the radio, even if the radio was last programmed with a newer version of ProGrammer.

There is no ill-effect to programming a radio with new radio and/or DSP code with an old version of ProGrammer. You may not be able to access some newer features that are available to manipulate in the newer versions of ProGrammer that the new code may turn on, but your radio will not become a paperweight.

 

[MMIC]

The latest version of code DOES require the latest version of ProGrammer, which is no longer Programmer. It is called Radio Personality Manager (RPM). The new RPM will not read radios programmed with Programmer. You will read the personality and save it, then open it with the new RPM. RPM will only program 7100, 5100 and Jaguar series radios starting with RU. According to the TSM, all radios with R13 code require the new RPM.

If the latest code was released, this would be true - but it is my understanding that it is still a production code and not an official release yet.

Nonetheless, unless that pre-mature code is what he is trying to load (which odds are really good that it's not...if it was, he would know the answer to this question already), he will be just fine.

 

[MMIC]

Thanks for the reply! This P7100 does have AEGIS, so I though it may still use ADI. So ADI is only used in older (non P7100 & P5100) AEGIS radios?

Correct. I was thinking of something else when I said that the P7100 wouldn't do AEGIS duh me

I believe that an older versions of the LPE-200 will need ADI code, but newer versions with the C56 processor use DSP code. Everything before that with AEGIS (MRK, MPA, etc.) uses ADI.

 

[WCRadioGuy]

If the latest code was released, this would be true - but it is my understanding that it is still a production code and not an official release yet.

Nonetheless, unless that pre-mature code is what he is trying to load (which odds are really good that it's not...if it was, he would know the answer to this question already), he will be just fine.

The latest code has been released and is packaged with RPM.

 

[MMIC]

What's the name of the radio code file that they're shipping with it?

 

[rmiles]

Actually, I'm not trying to load the code. The radio is suppose to have "the latest version" and I want to know if I can still program it with R1605.

Does anyone know what M/A-Com's standard price is for RPM? Can anyone purchase it from a dealer, or do you have to be a subscriber? So if I understand correctly, if you purchase RPM, they also include the R13A group flashcodes? Can you use that to update just one radio, or several?

 

[WCRadioGuy]

Actually, I'm not trying to load the code. The radio is suppose to have "the latest version" and I want to know if I can still program it with R1605.

Does anyone know what M/A-Com's standard price is for RPM? Can anyone purchase it from a dealer, or do you have to be a subscriber? So if I understand correctly, if you purchase RPM, they also include the R13A group flashcodes? Can you use that to update just one radio, or several?

I think the RPM price is around $1800. I believe that also get's you 1 year of updates, meaning if another version comes out within the first year of purchase, you will get it. You do have to purchase this through M/A-Com and not a dealer. R13A is packaged with RPM and can be used on as many radios as you need to upgrade. RPM will only program P7100, P5100, M7100 and RU series Jaguar radios as well as any new radios M/A-Com manufactures, such as the 7200 series.

Once you program with RPM and the new code, you can not go back to ProGrammer. It is recommended you wait a while until RPM has been on the streets for a few months.

 

[rmiles]

You do have to purchase this through M/A-Com and not a dealer.

Will they sell it to individual customers? It's been my experience that they don't like to deal with individuals.

RPM will only program P7100, P5100, M7100 and RU series Jaguar radios as well as any new radios M/A-Com manufactures, such as the 7200 series.

I'm guessing that this will also include the new P5400 series? Anyone know the release date for that yet?

It is recommended you wait a while until RPM has been on the streets for a few months.

Because of bugs in the code or something else?

 

[WCRadioGuy]

Will they sell it to individual customers? It's been my experience that they don't like to deal with individuals.

Typically, they will only sell directly to service shops and system owners.



I'm guessing that this will also include the new P5400 series? Anyone know the release date for that yet?

Do you mean P5300?


Because of bugs in the code or something else?

No. There is no need to upgrade a radio as the last version of ProGrammer will work. All new radios being shipped from now on will be required RPM to program. ProGrammer and RPM will run independently on the same machine. There just is no need to program radios with RPM unless absolutely necessary. Once a radio is programmed with RPM, it can no longer be programmed by ProGrammer.

 

[rmiles]

Thanks for the reply!

Do you mean P5300?

Nope, P5400. See Channels Vol 8 page 19 at the bottom;

http://www.macom-wireless.com/Channels/Channels Vol8_issue1.pdf

 

[WCRadioGuy]

Thanks for the reply!



Nope, P5400. See Channels Vol 8 page 19 at the bottom;

http://www.macom-wireless.com/Channels/Channels%20Vol8_issue1.pdf

Nice!! Looks almost like the 5300 series.

 

[rmiles]

I've not seen any mention of the P5300 series. Do you have a link to some info? I'd like to know more about it. Perhaps it's the 800MHz compliment to the UHF & VHF P5400 series.

 

[MR-EDACS]

They are nice radios I had a chance to play with one UHF not to long ago and it is just like the 7100 series radios. See attached picture. I am also trying to put together a list of radio codes with their release dates and what version programmer they will work with. It is not nessasary to upgrade to the latest flash most of them are fixes to known problems and some new features but to use the new features you some times need to upgrade programmer.

 

[rmiles]

Nice photo! John, I can't wait to see that info! One question. Why is the radio labled P5300, but the literature behind it labeled P5400?

 

[RGarza]

WC, do you know if the RPM software is computer per license?

 

[WCRadioGuy]

WC, do you know if the RPM software is computer per license?

Yes, each user (computer) does require a license. You will only need 1 copy of the software. The computer should be connected to the Internet for license authentication, but M/A-Com will do this via e-mail if there is no Internet connection on the program computer.

 

[ElroyJetson]

I sometimes have too much time on my hands. Just thought you might want to see it.


Elroy