Picket Fencing for direction finding?

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I am curious if anyone has ever attempted to get a general direction of a radio signal by reflections off aircraft? My assumption is that when picket fencing occurs on a radio signal the aircraft causing the picket fencing would be in the direction of the radio signal source? Any ideas?

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If passing aircraft were the only cause for picket fencing, this might be true. Unfortunately, there are other sources of this type of signal anomaly.
 

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Won't work. So called picket fencing is caused by multipath reflections. The object causing the reflection does not have to be between you and the signal source, it can be anywhere. The only requirement is that the phase relationship between the two signals has to be changing.
 

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Great link!

At my location (50 miles NNW of Denver Int'l Airport) I have only heard picket fencing from airplanes (not vehicles or any other objects). The thing which fascinates me is that when I am monitoring a specific frequency only some of the airplanes cause picket fencing on the station. Why? Why would only some of the airplanes cause picket fencing and not every airplane? Is it only the airplanes which fly between my location and the transmitter site? When the zero beat of the picket fencing is reached I would assume the airplane is directly between my location and the transmitter location.

I would like to reserach this further. I am not entirely certain picket fencing cannot be used for direction finding of distant signals.

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Shawn, the picket fencing is caused by multi-path. You receive the signal directly from the transmitter as well as the signal reflected from the airplane. As the airplane moves, the distance from the plane to the transmitter as well as the plane's distance from you changes. Because the path lengths are not the same, the phase relationship between the two signals are different. As the distance between the plane, the transmitter and you change, the phase relationship changes as well. If the two signals are less than 90 degrees out of phase, the two signals will reinforce each other and you will receive a slightly stronger signal. If they are more than 90 degrees out then the signals will tend to cancel each other and you receive less signal. It is this constant change in received signal strength, caused by the changing phase relationship, that causes the picket fencing. The passive radar referred to in the Wikipedea article uses the time difference between the two signals, the direction of the reflected signal and the Doppler shift of the reflected signal to measure the location, distance and speed of the object, not the picket fencing caused by the object.
 
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