Programming 536HP for a site with no ID's

[Freqed]

Looking at this site: FCC Callsign WRCB844 (Osage Casinos) where the freqs are known but ID's aren't. How would I program this system to search for ID's in sentinel, do I have to add a channel to a department for it search and if so what would be the TGID entered to allow it to seach?

 

[n1chu]

Download the system into the scanner and select “search” instead of “scan” for ID’s. Apparently, no one has submitted any TG ID’s yet. When you gather up a list of Talkgroup ID’s, and can reasonably identify what each one is assigned (Security, Fire, Casino, etc.) send them to RR for inclusion

 

[Freqed]

I cannot DL the system as sentinel will not bring it up, looking at Oklahoma, Osage County it does not come up under any of county tabs. Created a mototrbo single site system for this. Will try the ID search.

 

[n1chu]

Ok. Let us know if you get any hits under Sesrch.

 

[dave3825]

I cannot DL the system as sentinel will not bring it up

If its not listed in the radio reference database, it will not show up. If it is in the database, without any talkgroups it will not show in sentinel. Uniden does not allow one to download a trunked system without any talk groups using Sentinel.

I believe freescan and proscan will allow you to download systems without talk groups, you just have to set it to id search after.

 

[Freqed]

I also have ARC536pro and it will not find the system either. I have it in ARCXT but for some reason ARC536 won't let me import it in from the XT file. I'm not even sure where in RR database the file is located.

 

[dave3825]

I could be wrong but I do not believe that system is listed in the database. I gave a quick look and did not see Osage Casinos in either Tulsa or
Osage counties. I also searched a few freqs from the license and nothing came up in radio reference database. If its not in the database it will not show in any scanner software.

The link you posted is from radio reference but that seems to just be from a query from the fcc thru radio reference search.

If you find it listed in the database, could you post a link?

 

[JoeBearcat]

Create a Favorites List, add the Sites, and use ID SEARCH.

 

[cg]

The modulation suggests DMR, do you have that upgrade?
Group the frequencies by the license locations, it is likely, but not guaranteed, they are in use at the corresponding locals.
Tulsa
451.9625
452.4000
461.1000
Sand Spring
464.7875
Ponca
451.6875
452.6625

 

[Freqed]

The modulation suggests DMR, do you have that upgrade?
Group the frequencies by the license locations, it is likely, but not guaranteed, they are in use at the corresponding locals.
Tulsa
451.9625
452.4000
461.1000
Sand Spring
464.7875
Ponca
451.6875
452.6625

I set this up as a mototrbo single site system, plus there were two tulsa sites I had. Yes I have the DMR upgrade.

 

[hiegtx]

I also have ARC536pro and it will not find the system either. I have it in ARCXT but for some reason ARC536 won't let me import it in from the XT file. I'm not even sure where in RR database the file is located.

The location in Sand Springs is only a single channel, apparently using DMR. So, that can be programmed as a One Frequency Trunked system (OFT). Set it to use ID Search to find any active talkgroups.

For the Tulsa location, program that as a DMR trunked system, and also set it for ID Search. For it to work correctly, you will need to determine the LCNs. To do that, you must have a Department with at least one TGID listed. I simply use TGID as 1 (one). If you don't have a department, with a talkgroup, then the system will not show up in the Analyze/LCN Finder. (You can use ID Search, without a defined department, but the system will not be accessible in Analyze for either System Status nor LCN Finder). You could also just program it as an OFT system, with each frequency shown as a separate site. That would at least let you monitor it for any activity. A department is not required for an OFT using ID Search, but would be needed if you put multiple frequencies in a single site & try to use the LCN Finder.

The Ponca location has two frequencies, so to monitor correctly, you would need LCNs. Follow the same process as noted for the Tulsa site.

 

[n1chu]

If its not listed in the radio reference database, it will not show up. If it is in the database, without any talkgroups it will not show in sentinel. Uniden does not allow one to download a trunked system without any talk groups using Sentinel.

I believe freescan and proscan will allow you to download systems without talk groups, you just have to set it to id search after.

I’ve not had the need to download and install a trunked system that showed zero TG’s but there are plenty listed in RR. Are you saying these systems won’t load? What about installing a system manually, and adding a bogus TG, just to get the scanner to accept the system? And then setting it to “Search”? I’m confused by your statement that Uniden does not allow for trunked systems that show no TG’s.

 

[phask]

I’ve not had the need to download and install a trunked system that showed zero TG’s but there are plenty listed in RR. Are you saying these systems won’t load? What about installing a system manually, and adding a bogus TG, just to get the scanner to accept the system? And then setting it to “Search”? I’m confused by your statement that Uniden does not allow for trunked systems that show no TG’s.

They will not load as they will not scan when using the full DB. That is by design.

 

[dave3825]

I’ve not had the need to download and install a trunked system that showed zero TG’s but there are plenty listed in RR. Are you saying these systems won’t load?

Uniden only allows scannable systems to download within Sentinel. A system without any talk groups, in Uniden's eyes, is not scannable.

What about installing a system manually, and adding a bogus TG, just to get the scanner to accept the system?

For experienced users its a piece of cake. For new users its not that easy.

I’m confused by your statement that Uniden does not allow for trunked systems that show no TG’s

They feel because a user cant just download and listen, its not scannable. So any system without any tg's associated with it will not appear in Sentinel.

I know that systems without any talk groups will appear and download using Freescan and @ProScan . I cant speak for freescan, but @ProScan lets you download and update from radio reference right away without having to wait for the following Monday when Sentinel does it data pull.


In this case though, I do not believe the freqs for the casino have been confirmed as in use and submitted to radio reference. I could not find them in the database.

 

[n1chu]

They will not load as they will not scan when using the full DB. That is by design.

Must have missed where the OP noted he wanted the full database to also run…

 

[JoeBearcat]

Uniden only allows scannable systems to download within Sentinel. A system without any talk groups, in Uniden's eyes, is not scannable.

Is there another way to see that? No TGs = nothing to receive = you will never hear anything.

You can add a system to a FL and use ID SEARCH if you want. (then you can submit those TGs to RR and it will be in the Full DB for anyone to use)

 

[n1chu]

As far as Uniden goes, true. I use Butel ARC software without problem. I can access RR database and import into the scanner. The ONLY thing I use Sentinel for is updates to the database and firmware/software updates regarding Sentinel.

 

[Ubbe]

Is there another way to see that? No TGs = nothing to receive = you will never hear anything.

If there's no carriers transmitted, only license have been issued bit no system have been built, it will be quickly scanned and shouldn't delay the scanning process. But if there's a CTCSS tone or control channel data then money have been invested into it and there should sooner or later be users on it or the system owners are drained for money for no reason. But if it isn't available to download the no one will scan it and notice when it goes active and no updates will be done. All systems that have a verified carrier being transmitted at one time should be available to scan to be able to be populated with info about TG's from scanner users.

/Ubbe

 

[werinshades]

Is there another way to see that? No TGs = nothing to receive = you will never hear anything.

You can add a system to a FL and use ID SEARCH if you want. (then you can submit those TGs to RR and it will be in the Full DB for anyone to use)

Maybe a future You Tube video...how to manually add (not append) your own Favorite List?

 

[JoeBearcat]

Maybe a future You Tube video...how to manually add (not append) your own Favorite List?

Looks like there are already a ton. Sure, some of those may be append-only videos, but many are not.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Sentinel+how+to+make+favorites