Question about scanner while in descramble mode??

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I have my scanner hooked up to a descrambler, which i bought from ramsey. The question is while i switch over to listen to scramble i hear a very high pitch noise, it never goes away until they switch back over, it will even do it when they are not even talking on the scramble. What is this noise called? and What are some things you can do to help get the noise out? Programs or anything like that you can put on your computer to reduce it. Or anything at all? Thanks ... :)
 

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That's just the way it is for whatever reason. It's something to do with the way it mixes a tone and inverts around it.

I have a board made by MX-COM that is meant for the inside of a radio and it doesn't do that. The chip in the Ramsey is an MX-COM chip as well so I don't know why it makes the tone. I think it may have something to do with the amplification but I know I never could get it to go away either.
 

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Hi Justin and all,

The whistle is the injection tone used for descrambling that should be balanced out of the audio output but isn't due to an imbalance in the mixer circuit. OK, you don't know what I'm talking about so just accept the fact that somewhere along the line one or more components is out of tolerance.

Lord J has a good idea, a software or hardware digital signal processor (DSP) is just a bit more than you need for this application though. Specifically you need a notch filter to remove the tone and DSPs have them so unless you're processing audio for more complex applications the simplest one available or a stand alone filter will do.

Now I'm kicking myself, a while back I lost a good software DSP when I lost a drive (too recent an addition for current backup) and the download page where I got it went with it. Sometimes serendipity can be painful but if you join me in searching the Internet maybe someone will find it. While you're at it maybe you'll find a good software voice inversion descrambler and chalk up Ramsey to a learning experience.

When scrambling first came on the scene I built a scrambler/descrambler from scratch and it worked perfectly. Well, ya does whatcha gotta do when no kit is available and Ramsey wasn't even an idea yet. Hmmm, could be there's a schematic floating around in cyberspace for you solder smoke junkies.
 

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platinumrx8 said:
what are you guys using descramblers for anyways? isnt that illegal or something?
  1. This is an off topic comment.
  2. The FCC is none too clear on this except to note that scrambling and encryption are not the same.
  3. This has been discussed to death in these forums, so do not pursue this branch any further.
Now back to the topic at hand.
 

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loumaag said:
  1. This is an off topic comment.
  2. The FCC is none too clear on this except to note that scrambling and encryption are not the same.
  3. This has been discussed to death in these forums, so do not pursue this branch any further.
Now back to the topic at hand.

hrrm, ok.. sounds like it falls within the realm of scanning and coming along a phone conversation.
 

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LordJ said:
Here's a simple solution...run it through a dsp unit, noise should go away...
Is there any software on the internet you can download so i can run it threw my sound card and take the noise out?
 

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justinlp said:
Is there any software on the internet you can download so i can run it threw my sound card and take the noise out?
Actually, I would be interested in a software DSP also. I have an outboard DSP unit, but would love to be able to deal with various other things with software to clear up some other audio on the computer.
 

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loumaag said:
The FCC is none too clear on this except to note that scrambling and encryption are not the same.


Care to share the thought on that oh wise one?
 

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There's a neat little DSP program out there called Spectran that does a great job of filtering noise and tones. It has a GUI interface hat you can drag the peak and notch filters around to precisely tune out the tone you're hearing. It's intended for several weak signal digital modes like WSJT, and to be able to dig CW out of the noise floor, but would work well for this application.

Just Google it.
 

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Grog said:
loumaag said:
The FCC is none too clear on this except to note that scrambling and encryption are not the same.
Care to share the thought on that oh wise one?
Grog, I did share the thought; you quoted it.

If you want the backup for it, you will have to wait; as I told another member in a PM, I am packing and getting ready to go on a vacation at the end of the week and do not have the time to dig for it. However, since there is so much interest in this, I guess I will dig it out when I return in a couple of weeks, just be patient.
 

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Hi again,

Lou, surely you'll get around to reading this one day so if it's a professional sound editing suite you want Cool Edit Pro by Sentrillium is for you. Since Adobe bought it and stripped it down it's lost some of it's functionality and a really cool Easter Egg under the name Adobe Audition. Never fear, there are WAYS to get the good stuff. BTW, if you've ever seen the TV show Ghost Hunters (the Roto Rooter guys by night) it's the program they use on their laptops.

Justin, thanks a whole big bunch! If memory serves that's the program I was talking about so I'll check it out as soon as I get the chance. There are others on the ham sites available for download and wouldn't you know I forgot about QSL dot net. (;->)
 

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Hi Mike and all,

While the CEP family has some pretty good processing features I have yet to figure out how to make it work as a "pass through" in real time. They're great for working with recordings, that's what it's all about but it's not a DSP in the true sense. BTW, it is NOT listed on that site, the link is a bum steer.
 
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justinlp said:
I have my scanner hooked up to a descrambler, which i bought from ramsey. The question is while i switch over to listen to scramble i hear a very high pitch noise, it never goes away until they switch back over, it will even do it when they are not even talking on the scramble. What is this noise called? and What are some things you can do to help get the noise out? Programs or anything like that you can put on your computer to reduce it. Or anything at all? Thanks ... :)

It might have something wrong with it (bad assembly) or something. I have a SS-70 and it is the best hardware inversion de-scrambler I have come across. Much better than that crappy DS-49 box of junk.
 
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