S/SW Missouri switch from DMR & NXDN and go to the MOSWIN?

[stlouisx50]

I will be moving to Mountain Grove and noticed there are large chunks of Missouri nearby who are using NXDN and DMR for Police, Fire and Ambulance. I know Springfield is switching to MOSWIN, do you think the ones on the other digital systems will switch to MOSWIN soon or no?

Up here in St. Louis the only DMR and NXDN are Hospitals, Colleges and Businesses, no Police, Fire or 99% of Ambulances. It was a bummer to see the other two digital systems.

 

[KD0KCV]

The answer is yes. They will either go to their own p25 systems or go on MOSWIN

 

[kruser]

The answer is yes. They will either go to their own p25 systems or go on MOSWIN

What makes you say Yes?

Some agencies or departments in that part of the state recently switched to NXDN or DMR.
I just don't see those that did switch to DMR or NXDN recently, switching to another system needing all new equipment again. They could barely afford the digital systems they ended up with as it is.
There is one county in this area that is toying with a new NXDN system coming online now. It's just a matter of time before they go full NXDN.

The ones I've seen that did not join into Moswin have usually selected NXDN systems. I can't think of any that went to DMR in this area unless you look over into Illinois. All three technoliges are heard from Illinois for PS use. Most are on Starcom (P25) but I also hear those using NXDN and DMR and than a large amount of small town or cities across Illinois are using analog with no plans on changing.

 

[daddyjohn]

A lot of smaller towns in Missouri have gone to nxdn or dmr because they cannot afford to get on Moswin. Getting on Moswin is a lot more expensive, most of the time at least twice as much cost involved when compared to a nxdn or dmr system.

 

[stlouisx50]

A lot of smaller towns in Missouri have gone to nxdn or dmr because they cannot afford to get on Moswin. Getting on Moswin is a lot more expensive, most of the time at least twice as much cost involved when compared to a nxdn or dmr system.

I see, well, I guess it depends what I can pick up from Mountain Grove. If I hear lot's of NXDN or DMR, I suppose Ill upgrade for a 700.00 radio plus the 2 extras.

 

[daddyjohn]

I see, well, I guess it depends what I can pick up from Mountain Grove. If I hear lot's of NXDN or DMR, I suppose Ill upgrade for a 700.00 radio plus the 2 extras.

We have a nxdn County Emergency dispatch system and other agencies that use dmr systems and my scanner I use every day is a TRX-1. If you do not have a simulcast system in your area you might consider getting a Whistler. Whistlers do not use a control channel on the nxdn systems, it scans voice channels but you can set up and follow a trunked system. If it is a small system it works great, I have no experience with larger system.

 

[foster_006]

Lots of DMR in and around Springfield (Greene Co/Christian Co/Webster Co)... both conventional and trunked. If you don't like the idea of using DSD+ full time then a scanner upgrade might be in your future.

There is still a fair amount of public safety analog listening. Christian Co fire departments are all analog even though their police and sheriff departments are DMR. I can't imagine it will be too long before the fire department transitions to digital (most likely DMR).

 

[KD0KCV]

What makes you say Yes?

Some agencies or departments in that part of the state recently switched to NXDN or DMR.
I just don't see those that did switch to DMR or NXDN recently, switching to another system needing all new equipment again. They could barely afford the digital systems they ended up with as it is.
There is one county in this area that is toying with a new NXDN system coming online now. It's just a matter of time before they go full NXDN.

The ones I've seen that did not join into Moswin have usually selected NXDN systems. I can't think of any that went to DMR in this area unless you look over into Illinois. All three technoliges are heard from Illinois for PS use. Most are on Starcom (P25) but I also hear those using NXDN and DMR and than a large amount of small town or cities across Illinois are using analog with no plans on changing.

The reason that I feel that several agencies will go away from NXDN or DMR is going to be for the simple fact that Homeland Security grants (when you can get them) will only be accepted when you have radios such as the ones on MOSWIN. Now with that said, yes, you are correct. A lot of these smaller departments can't pay the $7k or more for the APX 8000 radios, but there are other radios that you can use on MOSWIN that are not as much. If these smaller departments cant find the funding they could always use Harris or Kenwood radios.

 

[kruser]

The reason that I feel that several agencies will go away from NXDN or DMR is going to be for the simple fact that Homeland Security grants (when you can get them) will only be accepted when you have radios such as the ones on MOSWIN. Now with that said, yes, you are correct. A lot of these smaller departments can't pay the $7k or more for the APX 8000 radios, but there are other radios that you can use on MOSWIN that are not as much. If these smaller departments cant find the funding they could always use Harris or Kenwood radios.

I thought I also recall an incentive program the state offered to anyone wanting to join onto Moswin when it was still in it's very early days.
That very well could have been some other system in another state that I'm thinking of though. Of course if Missouri did offer an incentive, I'd imagine that it's long gone today when you figure how long Moswin has been in use now.

I could definitely see some small counties or eligible cities using other than Motorola radios though. The last I looked, there were a few approved P25 radios (both portables and mobiles) from other vendors that were allowed on the Moswin system.
That could save a small department thousands of dollars.

 

[KA0KDW]

In mountain grove aside from Webster, Douglas, and Christian counties (as far as bordering counties) everyone is either MOSWIN or analog. In troop G Douglas and Ozark counties are the only two counties not on MOSWIN. With a good antenna you should be able to hear all bordering counties to Wright county. I can hear all counties bordering Wright when I’m in mountain grove. That is of course with the exception of any law in Webster county. All law in Webster (except for Rogersville PD) is encrypted.

 

[kruser]

In mountain grove aside from Webster, Douglas, and Christian counties

On good days with good conditions, it's not out of the question that I can receive many of the VHF Moswin towers in Troop G's territory. Same goes for counties in Troop E and then Troop F to the west and Troop B to the north.
Every so often, I'll hear VHF sites in Troop A mostly and some in Troop D. It's rare that I'll catch something from Troop H here.
I can also copy several 700 MHz sites from counties located in Troop I, F and B territory during the time before sunrise. The 700 MHz sites usually fade into the thermal radiation from the sun about an hour after it has risen. The distant VHF sites will become buried by the solar radiation maybe 30 minutes after I've lost the 700 MHz signals.
It's a lot of fun swinging the yagi around and getting good signals from the 700 MHz sites around the state.
Sometimes I'll use Ameren Electrics 800 MHz sites to give me a general idea of which direction has the best chance of hearing a 700 MHz Moswin site.
It's still not as fun as the old days when the state was on low band and ran some very high power levels.