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hjvan

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For us Johnson county police scanner listeners. Encryption on all cities primary police dispatch channels goes into effect tomorrow, Jan. 23rd. All the secondary and tac channels were encrypted years ago. So all we had left was just primary dispatch (which wasn’t much info, but atleast you heard some of the primary issues for why/when/where LEO were being dispatch.

Tomorrow it all goes silent.

I’ve been listening to police scanners for 35 years.

I guess I’ll need to find a new hobby.
 

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Can I get a specific list of which Talkgroup numbers confirmed by on-air listening that are now 100% encrypted in MARRS?
 

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wbloss

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Got DSD dump of ENC TGs - updated database, please review to see if any more have gone ENC.
Thanks
 

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Sorry for your loss guys and gals!!!
Eh. Yes it sucks, but most of us saw this coming for at least a few years, so it wasn't a blindsided surprise. I just they would've left the primary dispatch talkgroups in the clear. They've had encrypted talkgroups for years specifically designated for disseminating PII. It was a fair balance IMO. It's one of those "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" situations :cautious:
 

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If Fire and KHP aren’t encrypted, why isn’t anyone streaming them. Weird to see no one in the most populated county in the state stepping up to provide a live scanner stream.
 

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This is the only thing I have seen...though I didn't do too much digging.

according to the article it's to protect people's privacy and personal information. then what the heck is the other encrypted channels are for then? excuses. so sad encryption is becoming the new standard. so many places in KS are encrypted. when i go storm chasing i listen to the police and fire in case they talk about the weather. I just realized neighboring Osage County SO is all encrypted now. Coffey CO has always been encrypted. not as much to listen to. and I'm in Emporia and i swear in the last 10 or more years that the radio traffic is pretty slim. i think half the calls go to the MDT. I know i called the police many times over the years and never heard it on the radio. so i know they're routing non priority calls over the computer then radio. does anyone know if that is what is going on? is there less traffic in other areas and they use the MDT for the calls?
 

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according to the article it's to protect people's privacy and personal information. then what the heck is the other encrypted channels are for then? excuses. so sad encryption is becoming the new standard. so many places in KS are encrypted. when i go storm chasing i listen to the police and fire in case they talk about the weather. I just realized neighboring Osage County SO is all encrypted now. Coffey CO has always been encrypted. not as much to listen to. and I'm in Emporia and i swear in the last 10 or more years that the radio traffic is pretty slim. i think half the calls go to the MDT. I know i called the police many times over the years and never heard it on the radio. so i know they're routing non priority calls over the computer then radio. does anyone know if that is what is going on? is there less traffic in other areas and they use the MDT for the calls?
Osage Co SO has been encrypted for 8+ years now. Fire/EMS is still unencrypted for the most part, with the ability to go to an encrypted talk group if needed. The reason law enforcement is going encrypted is a FBI requirement to protect personal identifying information (PII) and CJIS information from being aired in the clear.

As for MDT’s, you’re probably correct. Even though Osage Co is encrypted, the non priority calls still go over MDT to cut down on lengthy radio traffic.
 

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Osage Co SO has been encrypted for 8+ years now. Fire/EMS is still unencrypted for the most part, with the ability to go to an encrypted talk group if needed. The reason law enforcement is going encrypted is a FBI requirement to protect personal identifying information (PII) and CJIS information from being aired in the clear.

As for MDT’s, you’re probably correct. Even though Osage Co is encrypted, the non priority calls still go over MDT to cut down on lengthy radio traffic.
are you saying that all law enforcement everywhere will be required to go full encrypted? Can't they use existed encrypted channels for that information? I thought that was why they have those channels. i know we used to have analog radio channel that was encrypted for over 10 years just for EMS to give patient info over the radio.
 

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are you saying that all law enforcement everywhere will be required to go full encrypted? Can't they use existed encrypted channels for that information? I thought that was why they have those channels. i know we used to have analog radio channel that was encrypted for over 10 years just for EMS to give patient info over the radio.
My understanding is yes to encrypting anything where PII or CJI info would be communicated.

I guess maybe the FBI rule leaves no room for error so it's easier to encrypt everything than pick and choose and make sure folks are doing things properly? I haven't read the FBI rule I just know it's because of them.
 

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are you saying that all law enforcement everywhere will be required to go full encrypted? Can't they use existed encrypted channels for that information? I thought that was why they have those channels. i know we used to have analog radio channel that was encrypted for over 10 years just for EMS to give patient info over the radio.
If something that was going on where they needed to run someone right away and not have time to switch to the big "E" talkgroup so the result would be sent in the clear. Easier to encrypt anything that might possibly have PII information transmitted on. Sorry folks, public safety communications are setup as a form of entertaiment and there is no right that those radio transmissions be unencrypted. If that were the case, maybe the cops can sell digital scanners for all to enjoy.
 

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Very late to this thread obviously, but wanted to chime in a little.

I'm not a 24-7 listener to the scanner, and only relatively recently noticed "hey I'm not hearing police calls". Came here and found this thread.

Generally, I get that there are some things that ought not be made public by default. The open dispatch channel with others encrypted seemed a reasonable balance. But making police work completely opaque to the public is a bad, bad thing. And to that Lenexa officer quoted in the editorial, feigning surprise that the first media inquiry was two weeks after the press release? The timing of the announcement was selected preisely to duck such public comment.

IMO this is part and parcel of a bad trend among people in government and policing to believe they are not public servants, but rulers over the public. (And secondarily, a trend toward a militarization of police. The very name "tactical channel" suggests this.) Ask them why x is done, and the answer often boils down to "shut up, that's why". And that's what's happened here. They cannot provide a solid example of where open dispatch channels created problems beyond inconvenience, only theoretical speculations, and they just did it.

And re. "public safety communications are setup as a form of entertainment", that's simple nonsense. The public does have a right to know what's going on in their neighborhoods and communities, unfiltered by various public officials who often conceal such information for illegitimate reasons.

And to that officer (I think the same Lenexa officer) who said "just come to the scene and ask an officer"? Yeah, right. Try that. In the vast majority of typical cases (as opposed to highly public situations where media get involved) I bet if you get any response at all it'll be "leave", and if you don't, arrest.

My father was a career police officer. I am not "anti-police". But when you tell me "I need to do everything behind closed doors", it's fair to pursue the question "what are you hiding?".
 
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