BCD325P2/BCD996P2: SITE RANGE

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The jail that I want to listen to is 18 miles away. The zip code lookup says 10 miles. Does that mean that the jail is too far away from the site? 8 miles
farther away? i have everything programmed in correctly Im pretty sure. I paid for the DMR /MotoTRBO upgrade and it said it was successful so
I'm not sure why I cant hear anything unless its too far away?
 

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The jail that I want to listen to is 18 miles away. The zip code lookup says 10 miles. Does that mean that the jail is too far away from the site? 8 miles
farther away? i have everything programmed in correctly Im pretty sure. I paid for the DMR /MotoTRBO upgrade and it said it was successful so
I'm not sure why I cant hear anything unless its too far away?
The ranges that you see in the database is set by the database admins, though I don't know if they use a specific formula. That range setting, pus the range you set on your scanner, has very little to do with the actual range that you can hear that agency, The database & scanner ranges are used to determine whether or not that channel, site, whatever, is enabled if you are using location control on either the main database, or in one of your Favorites lists, I have a number of systems that, based solely on database range, plus the range setting in the scanner, these woulkd be 'out of range & therefore not scanned. For that reason, among others, I use Favorites lists that I've created, which include systems, sites, & departments that I know I can hear. I don't use location control.

The range at which a given channel, such as the jail you mention, is enabled is based (when location control is in use) is actually the sum of the channel's range (Department, Site, whatever). So if you use a 10 mile range, and that channel shows a ten mile range, it would be enabled & scanned whenever you are wiyhin 20 miles of it. Basically, if you drew a range circle on the map for that channel, and another centered on where your scanner is, based on your range setting, that channel would be active at any point where those two circles intersect.

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The ranges that you see in the database is set by the database admins, though I don't know if they use a specific formula. That range setting, pus the range you set on your scanner, has very little to do with the actual range that you can hear that agency, The database & scanner ranges are used to determine whether or not that channel, site, whatever, is enabled if you are using location control on either the main database, or in one of your Favorites lists, I have a number of systems that, based solely on database range, plus the range setting in the scanner, these woulkd be 'out of range & therefore not scanned. For that reason, among others, I use Favorites lists that I've created, which include systems, sites, & departments that I know I can hear. I don't use location control.

The range at which a given channel, such as the jail you mention, is enabled is based (when location control is in use) is actually the sum of the channel's range (Department, Site, whatever). So if you use a 10 mile range, and that channel shows a ten mile range, it would be enabled & scanned whenever you are wiyhin 20 miles of it. Basically, if you drew a range circle on the map for that channel, and another centered on where your scanner is, based on your range setting, that channel would be active at any point where those two circles intersect.

See if this helps:
How it Works: Location, Location, Location
Oh boy, I kind of understand but I dont. I'm not understanding why there is a range box that allows me to choose. I'm still new at this
I'm not hearing anything at all and I'm sure the jail has 24 hour traffic. It's in the franklin county pa trunked systems.
 

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Oh boy, I kind of understand but I dont. I'm not understanding why there is a range box that allows me to choose. I'm still new at this
I'm not hearing anything at all and I'm sure the jail has 24 hour traffic. It's in the franklin county pa trunked systems.
I set the range to 22 miles
 

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I set the range to 22 miles
As long as the range set in your scanner, added to the range in the database, is equal to or greater than the actual distance to that location, it would be scanned. Whether or not you'll hear it, of course, is a different matter.
 

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ITS ALSO SHOWING A LCN SO HOW IS THAT WHEN ITS NOT LTR?
Never mind I get it now. I read the home patrol on ranges. So, the jail will most likely intersect into my circle since its 18 miles. The jail has a range of 8.5 and I have 10. So thats a half a mile overlap so it is possible I am right on the edge.
 

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As I understand it (and I could be somewhat off track), the range that is used in database is usually set so that it covers the jurisdiction it is for, So a range for a city's channel would be large enough to encompass the city limits.

The jail's actual, usable, range is going to be affected by whether they use an antenna ether on their city's(or county's) communications site, or an antenna mounted low on the building, patterned to only cover the facility. Of course, if they also use the jail's channel for communications with units off site, transferring or picking up prisoners, then they'd want a longer usable range.

ITS ALSO SHOWING A LCN SO HOW IS THAT WHEN ITS NOT LTR?
It it is a MotoTrbo (DMR) trunked system, those do use LCN's.



If this is the system:

then yes it is a trunked system & the LCNs are needed for the system to track correctly. If you imported it from the database, using ARC-XT or ProScan, that would also import the LCN's as they are shown in the database.
 

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As I understand it (and I could be somewhat off track), the range that is used in database is usually set so that it covers the jurisdiction it is for, So a range for a city's channel would be large enough to encompass the city limits.

The jail's actual, usable, range is going to be affected by whether they use an antenna ether on their city's(or county's communications site, or an antenna mounted low on the build, patterned to only cover the facility. Of course, if they also use the jail's channel for communications with units off site, transferring or picking up prisoners, then they'd want a longer usable range.


It it is a MotoTrbo (DMR) trunked system, those do use LCN's.



If this is the system:

then yes it is a trunked system & the LCNs are needed for the system to track correctly. If you imported it from the database, using ARC-XT or ProScan, that would also import the LCN's as they are shown in the database.
Yes, it did import them. Maybe I'll hear traffic more during the day. Thank you :)
 

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The site's database page only shows one circle.
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Is your screenshot of two circles from software, like ProScan or ARCXT?

If you look at the FCC license, you'll see two "locations" One is the actual site, the other is the range, on the license, for mobile units using that system. That "mobile's" circle is probably the larger one.
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Actually, when I convert the 13km range for the Mobile's range to miles, it is actually the smaller circle. ProScan's map is probably based on what the license shows.
 
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