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Here in San Diego I have been monitoring the 11 meter band to no avail, whether day or night. I have not really noticed any skip on any of the 40 except for some "scratchy" 6'ers. Otherwise dead. Probably because of these hills out here that reflect any or decent signals. This also counts for 10 meters- haven't seen anything real exciting to move my needle. Is this the norm? These evaluations based on base and mobile ops BTW
 

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Last Thursday (7/8/21) was pretty active for me in Northern Nevada. I talked to several stations in San Diego. I'm only running 12 watts with a homebuilt dipole about 10 feet off the ground and I'm surrounded by mountains. What is your antennae setup?
 

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I am in the SoCal LA area and it’s very sporadic. Mostly guys making their own Mother Nature....1K+ amps. 38lsb comes in and a few minutes later it’s gone. You call out and while the other station responds they disappear. Was great about 1-2 months ago! Tons of contacts all over the US. Hang in there!!!!
 

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Dxmaps is a good resource. It doesn't show the 11 meter Citizens Band, but if you select the 10 meter ham band (28 MHz), that will be close enough. When you see lots of red lines around you, you should be hearing signals..

Nto aimed a t you as it raises a question at the end…:)
I believed that for a long time but as of late have found that when skips is pounding in 10m has no activity and is not a good indicator.
By reading the thread skip is sporadic and isolated to certain geographical areas. I wonder as it based on geographical areas is the relationship between 10m and 11m inversed.
ie: In my location lots of skip on 11m and 10m is dead and elsewhere its no skip on 11m and 10m is active?

Food for though whilst on my first cup of coffee for the day.
BTW: There has been virtually no 10m traffic here at all And 11m is hoping. 10m is my favourite band and nada. :sleep:
 

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Nto aimed a t you as it raises a question at the end…:)
I believed that for a long time but as of late have found that when skips is pounding in 10m has no activity and is not a good indicator.


It is a fantastic indicator. Unfortunately, hams just aren't used to using 10m these days, since everything had been so bad on 10m for so long. You would be hard pressed to find a MUF covering 27.5 MHz, but not extending into 28.

There are times I jump on 10m FT8 just to see propagation, and I will be showing up all over the place, but the band is "dead." Everybody is down on 20m.
 

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It is a fantastic indicator. Unfortunately, hams just aren't used to using 10m these days, since everything had been so bad on 10m for so long. You would be hard pressed to find a MUF covering 27.5 MHz, but not extending into 28.

There are times I jump on 10m FT8 just to see propagation, and I will be showing up all over the place, but the band is "dead." Everybody is down on 20m.

Whlist I agree usually when I find skip on 11 m I automatically scroll through 10m and nothing. You are correct on MUF I just have not seen it work in the last year or so Especially lately where we have been ponded by 11m skip daily. Nada on 10m.

Its weird but then again I had a thread on here why we cant transmit/rx far in this town. On 11m, base stations with Antrons and or 5/8ths 30ft up get a signal report of 7s units (2.5-3 miles) 4-5km away. That also makes no sense compared to what we used to get years ago. Maybe this area is in some kind of wired RF unfriendly bubble….:)
Sorry OP I digressed.
 

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Had some Sporadic E coming in on Saturday 7/10/21. This guy was coming in +20 to 30+dB over S9 for 30 minutes straight. Also talked to a guy in Apache Junction AZ too that day.
 

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Whlist I agree usually when I find skip on 11 m I automatically scroll through 10m and nothing. You are correct on MUF I just have not seen it work in the last year or so Especially lately where we have been ponded by 11m skip daily. Nada on 10m.

Its weird but then again I had a thread on here why we cant transmit/rx far in this town. On 11m, base stations with Antrons and or 5/8ths 30ft up get a signal report of 7s units (2.5-3 miles) 4-5km away. That also makes no sense compared to what we used to get years ago. Maybe this area is in some kind of wired RF unfriendly bubble….:)
Sorry OP I digressed.
I think it largely depends on who's on the other end. Are these mobiles? If barefoot, S7 from a base station to mobile seems about right.
 

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I think it largely depends on who's on the other end. Are these mobiles? If barefoot, S7 from a base station to mobile seems about right.

Base station to base stations… mobiles come in about 1-3 S units. In to the decades past when I lived elsewhere elsewhere 10-20 miles was the 7ish+ s units. I think this area an anomaly.

Anyway I have deviated from the thread. Still no action on 10m but 11m has been hoping….(y)
 

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Yeah, it is just not happening out here. QRN is at around S5 or so. Not too many people on 11 meter this part of town. Thought with my equipment 11 would tickle my fancy...apparently not. Think I am just going to stick with 40 for awhile until the prop gets better. I use a Moonraker 4 with a Navajo TRC458 for 11 meter.....otherwise using ICOM 7851 with a Steppir/wire dipole for 3-28. The Moonraker is at rooftop so not to interfere with my Steppir. Occasionally I hear guys up in Orange County chewing a bit but that is it. Bummer
 

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Base station to base stations… mobiles come in about 1-3 S units. In to the decades past when I lived elsewhere elsewhere 10-20 miles was the 7ish+ s units. I think this area an anomaly.

Anyway I have deviated from the thread. Still no action on 10m but 11m has been hoping….(y)
That's weird! I wonder if anyone else experienced anything like that. I did notice while mobile there is a particular spot that is always down on receive (and I assume transmit). I hear everyone weaker. It's about a 1 or 2 mile square area (like one street up and one street down from the center). It's not any lower in elevation. Maybe it's the ground conductivity but I wouldn't expect it to be THAT different. I notice a good 2-3s unit signal reduction when in that area. The reverse is It's like I got lucky. Weird!
 

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On my car's OEM AM radio I can point out a number of spots where an AM commercial radio station will be interrupted every time I get there by fading out or by excessive background static. The exact reasons for any of the particular spots I don't know, but I would guess it's a combination of the usual suspects: ground conductivity, electrical equipment on poles, line-of-sight obstructions, etc.
 

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Whlist I agree usually when I find skip on 11 m I automatically scroll through 10m and nothing. You are correct on MUF I just have not seen it work in the last year or so Especially lately where we have been ponded by 11m skip daily. Nada on 10m.

Its weird but then again I had a thread on here why we cant transmit/rx far in this town. On 11m, base stations with Antrons and or 5/8ths 30ft up get a signal report of 7s units (2.5-3 miles) 4-5km away. That also makes no sense compared to what we used to get years ago. Maybe this area is in some kind of wired RF unfriendly bubble….:)
Sorry OP I digressed.

Several days last week en-route NC to TX, very clear TX on Skip out of Ontario on 11M.
 
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