Splitters: PDI or Electroline

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LukeB

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Which do you choose? Is one better then the other or collectively, everyone feels they are both the same performance wise? Prices seem to be similar and I've heard some people mention the PDI's and others mention Electroline's. Any reasons to support your choice?
 

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All passive splitters including the cheap Rat Shack CATV unit are the same inside the box, the only differences are connectors and the price of snake oil.
 

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kb2vxa said:
All passive splitters including the cheap Rat Shack CATV unit are the same inside the box, the only differences are connectors and the price of snake oil.

Universal Radio has a few that costs $60 and up.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps/0973.html

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/preamps.html

They are made in Holland by RF Systems. Don't know much about them. Anyone knowledgeable about these devices.

Scannermaster sells one for scanners that cost $29.
 

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kb2vxa said:
All passive splitters including the cheap Rat Shack CATV unit are the same inside the box, the only differences are connectors and the price of snake oil.

Actually there are several types of power splitters out there - resistive, hybrid, Wilkenson, and so on.

I get mine from Minicircuits. Won't touch the cable tv stuff...
 

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zz0468 said:
Actually there are several types of power splitters out there - resistive, hybrid, Wilkenson, and so on.

I get mine from Minicircuits. Won't touch the cable tv stuff...

What is the technical difference (besides the obvious- names) between them?

Why not the cable TV stuff?
 

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I don't bother with the cable tv stuff because I've seen lots of quality issues. I have no confidence that there's anything useful inside the little box. Like I said in my previous post, I've cracked some of those things open and seen direct 't' connections between ports, resistors, etc. With strong tv signals, a consumer may never know the difference. I have a network analyzer and sweep everything I can get my hands on. You'd be surprised how much crap is being sold to consumers!

The various splitters all have different characteristics. The resistive splitter, for example, can be made VERY broadband (like DC to daylight) but the isolation is low, and it can be a bit lossier than, say, a hybrid splitter. A GOOD (emphasis added) hybrid splitter will provide lots of isolation between ports, but is more frequency limited. I've also found that there is some 'ripple' in the response of many hybrid splitters across their specified frequency range, so that isolation and insertion loss varies between bands.

The Wilkenson splitter is what you'll find in many commercial land mobile products. Example - Angle Linear receiver multicouplers use a series of Wilkenson splitters. Good performance and lots of isolation but for a specific band, ie 800 only. You'll also find narrow band stripline hybrid splitters.

I once bought some RG59 and a splitter at Radio Shack. Nothing worked! The 50' of RG59 had 20 db of loss at high band, I have no idea what it was they sold me. The splitter was 3 film resistors soldered to the F connectors inside the box. I don't shop there anymore.

I engineer any multicouplers I use... make sure they don't have excessive gain, just enough to overcome the loss of the splitter and to set the noise figure. I use N connectors or SMA. Splitters come from Minicircuits, preamps from them or RFBay, (or Angle Linear if it's going to live on a mountaintop. No overload, no intermod, no interaction between radios. =)
 

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zz04686,

Thank you for the reply. It was very informative. I'm going to go with RF Bay's splitter/combiner, PSC-2-10. Looks like a quality product. I too have taken apart cable TV splitters and antenna selectors. LOL......your descriptions are on the spot....

www.rfbayinc.com
 

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I've gotten some amazing deals on mini-circuits stuff over the years on Ebay.

If you're going for beyond hobby quality stuff, then you are definitely on the
right track with RFbay and minicircuits.

That being said, I'm still really happy with my Electroline equipment for basic
hobby listening.
 

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trooperdude said:
I've gotten some amazing deals on mini-circuits stuff over the years on Ebay.

If you're going for beyond hobby quality stuff, then you are definitely on the
right track with RFbay and minicircuits.

That being said, I'm still really happy with my Electroline equipment for basic
hobby listening.


Thanks for the info....found some stuff on ebay. Just what I was looking for too. Amazing what you can find on ebay and at such good deals! I think I'll go this route instead of buying new from RF Bay.
 

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trooperdude said:
I've gotten some amazing deals on mini-circuits stuff over the years on Ebay.

Yep..you can score some good deals on 'mini-curcuits' stuff on eBay if you look around. I got a really nice splitter for 2-5ghz sat systems with N-connectors for $15 just a few weeks ago. Works great, seems to have very little loss using it with my main scanner ant feed.
 
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