Sticky Thread For MilAir IV

[Mark]

Re AE1256: Unknown here too. What's amazing though is you had him at 1945 and an SBS user in Ontario logged him at 1948 (same time zone). Was the aircraft halfway between the two of you and you both had a good long shot? He's just across the New York/Canada border. Something feels wrong there.
That aircraft was logged at Nellis earlier in the day.
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I do log civilian aircraft sometimes well up and over NY/PA border every day so
not too surprising.One of my strong zones.Yet Dover 50 miles away I miss
inbounds from South and East.
Box works best in areas with no city clutter. Pocono Mountains North come in
great.Balt,Wash,Philly lousy below 12k.

Looks like Rocket launch of some type Monday morning from Kennedy Space Center.
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_4601.html

2215 GHOST 87 KC-10 #85-0032 showing inbound McGuire..
2220 GHOST 87 on CP 319.400 inbound writeups.
One of McGuire's favorite Western long distance tails the past couple months,also as CABAL,RUMMY,WOODN.
Departed west 5 days ago as HOIST 95.

Mark

 

[jsoergel]

Slow day at Patterson:

HKB210 (H25B) - from KICT; to KICT
VADER 08 (C-130H, 89-9108) - aeromed training
MAD HOG xx (A-10A+, unid) - only heard the departure
VADER 02 (C-130H, 89-9102) - aeromed training, RON
TBOLT 54 (unid) - called Metro for weather for KNTU 0030Z

I'm guessing that last one is probably an F/A-18C; can anybody confirm?

 

[JohnFB]

EVAC 33116, along with most of the MS-ANG C-17s, run those missions at least as far as Ramstein. One or more of them is reported just about daily on the ground there. If they go beyond that point, no one in the SBS net is logging them so it looks like that's it for them.

FWIW I had EVAC 3116 wkg 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Friday afternoon - inbnd to drop off some litter and ambulatory cases [with attendents] and thru-load the rest. About the only time I can hear any traffic to GRIFFIN is when this C-17 chks in, which he seems to do earlier than most ...... or he's got a great transmitter.

 

[TinEar]

And this is the last piece of the 14 August SBS log:

AE144A 05-5140 ------- 23:12:14.964 C-17A 729thAS/AFRC
AE144A 05-5140 RCH107 23:12:14.964 C-17A 729thAS/AFRC
AE1173 02-1101 RCH184 22:53:06.323 C-17A 437thAW
AE1173 02-1101 ------- 22:51:48.698 C-17A 437thAW
AE0697 64-14833 RCH4833 22:11:40.651 KC-135R 6AMW/91ARS
AE0224 85-0032 ------- 22:10:49.870 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE0224 85-0032 GHOST87 22:10:49.870 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE0697 64-14833 ------ 22:04:57.323 KC-135R 6AMW/91ARS
A9A3A2 N720AX RCH478 21:17:19.323 DC-10 OmniAirInternational
AE1197 03-3114 RCH3114 21:14:15.807 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
A9A3A2 N720AX ------- 21:12:02.323 DC-10 OmniAirInternational
AE07D5 92-3291 HIRE81 21:11:14.620 C-17A 62ndAW
AE1197 03-3114 ------- 21:10:56.542 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
AE07D5 92-3291 ------- 21:09:35.323 C-17A 62ndAW
AE0569 86-0012 ------- 21:05:57.323 C-5B 337thAS
AE0406 99-0402 S5431 20:53:54.823 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
AE0406 99-0402 ------- 20:52:51.354 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
AE0248 96-8154 ------- 20:40:56.651 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE1173 02-1101 RCH184 20:38:37.714 C-17A 437thAW
AE1173 02-1101 ------- 20:35:52.323 C-17A 437thAW
AE144A 05-5140 RCH5140 20:35:27.589 C-17A 729thAS/AFRC
AE144A 05-5140 ------- 20:32:16.651 C-17A 729thAS/AFRC
AE1238 03-3127 RCH372 20:29:06.526 C-17A 6thAS
AE1238 03-3127 ------- 20:29:04.698 C-17A 6thAS
AE057C 87-0031 RCH7031 20:27:13.323 C-5B 436thAW
AE0405 97-1944 PAT44 20:20:13.323 C-37A OSACOM/PAT
AE0405 97-1944 ------- 20:16:32.323 C-37A OSACOM/PAT
AE057C 87-0031 ------- 20:12:52.323 C-5B 436thAW
AE0189 84-0095 PACER78 20:08:23.323 C-21A 457thAS
AE0189 84-0095 ------- 20:02:38.323 C-21A 457thAS
A7D27A N603AX RCH352 20:01:22.354 DC-10 OmniAirInternational
A7D27A N603AX ------- 19:56:13.776 DC-10 OmniAirInternational
AE0186 84-0092 JOSA441 19:51:05.620 C-21A 457thAS
AE0186 84-0092 ------- 19:50:23.573 C-21A 457thAS
AE0252 97-1931 ------- 19:47:07.323 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE1242 04-4137 ------- 19:44:35.323 C-17A 6thAS
29CBB8 Various ------- 19:33:25.323 Various Various
AE1DF0 ------ ------- 19:17:13.323 ------ VX-20/WB
000002 XZ182 ------- 19:16:38.339 Lynx ---
AE012E 73-1683 EGMK8C97 19:12:15.979 C-9C 73rdAS/AFRC
AE08DE 166382 ------- 19:12:00.323 KC-130J VMGR-252/BH
AE11F8 02-0042 SPAR98 19:11:20.729 C-40B 76thAS
AE11F8 02-0042 ------- 19:11:16.339 C-40B 76thAS
AE012E 73-1683 ------- 19:04:30.339 C-9C 73rdAS/AFRC
AE020A 79-1711 HOIST91 18:58:17.479 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE020A 79-1711 ------- 18:53:44.682 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE206D 06-0500 S5446 18:50:34.557 C-37B 89thAW/99thAS
AE206D 06-0500 ------- 18:43:24.542 C-37B 89thAW/99thAS
AE1199 03-3116 E33116 18:33:52.307 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
AE1199 03-3116 ------- 18:31:43.557 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG

 

[CitationJet]

Re: 84-0207

Hi Tin,

Maybe my misunderstanding of what SBS can do - along with logging all the aircraft, I was thinking that you could also "log" and "play back" flight tracks? ?

Thanks,

Tony

I have no idea. Wasn't listening for it.
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[TinEar]

Hi Tin,

Maybe my misunderstanding of what SBS can do - along with logging all the aircraft, I was thinking that you could also "log" and "play back" flight tracks? ?

Thanks,

Tony

Tony, the log/database kept by the SBS unit only gives you certain information. For instance, it logs the start/end times the aircraft was detected, along with first and last altitudes, any callsign displayed, the aircraft type and any Mode-3 squawk codes displayed during the detect time. If the aircraft had ADS-B turned on to provide radar tracking - which 99.9% of military aircraft do NOT use - the record would include first and last detected position coordinates, speeds and headings along with the other info. Bottom line is that I could provide the direction of flight only if the aircraft was using ADS-B during the time it was detected by the system since first/last coordinates would be logged. Hence, for military aircraft, other than for a very few aircraft that use ADS-B (E-6B, C-32B, a few Andrews 89th AW types occasionally and a couple of little Army transports), that type info you requested is just not available ---- yet.

 

[TinEar]

SBS Log 15 August, Part I:

AE10EC 2006 ------- 12:45:53.659 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
ADFDEA 94-6705 ANVIL41 12:41:12.545 C-130H ANG/WV/130AW/130AS
ADFDEA 94-6705 ------- 12:41:01.780 C-130H ANG/WV/130AW/130AS
AE01BD 84-0131 JOSA585 12:33:34.521 C-21A 457thAS
AE01BD 84-0131 ------- 12:33:20.209 C-21A 457thAS
ADFEE6 159117 VVJU117 12:26:12.543 C-9B VR-56
ADFEE6 159117 ------- 12:24:54.235 C-9B VR-56
AE061E 84-0208 CARMEN3 12:23:10.756 C-130H ANG/DE/142AS
AE061E 84-0208 ------- 12:22:58.569 C-130H ANG/DE/142AS
AE04F6 58-0069 BOLT12 12:18:21.257 KC-135T 6AMW/91ARS
AE04F6 58-0069 ------- 12:17:54.289 KC-135T 6AMW/91ARS
29CBB8 Various 00000000 12:17:09.245 Various Various
AE20C7 07-7186 RCH187T 12:15:25.423 C-17a 437thAW
AE20C7 07-7186 ------- 12:14:44.253 C-17a 427thAW
29CBB8 Various ------- 12:08:16.651 Various Various
AE056E 86-0017 ------- 11:43:03.409 C-5B 436thAW
AE123B 04-4130 RCH285 11:34:16.081 C-17A 6thAS
AE016D 84-0075 PACER10 11:33:24.461 C-21A 457thAS
AE016D 84-0075 ------- 11:32:15.842 C-21A 457thAS
AE146C 07-7174 RCH277 11:31:50.657 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE123B 04-4130 ------- 11:31:42.126 C-17A 6thAS
AE146C 07-7174 ------- 11:30:33.884 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE182B ------ ------- 11:24:39.063 F/A-18E ---
AE151A 166377 VV100 11:16:49.895 C-37B VR-1
ADFEE6 159117 VVJU117 11:16:25.117 C-9B VR-56
AE03E2 164995 AX995 11:16:03.791 C-130T VR-53/AX
AE151A 166377 ------- 11:16:00.572 C-37B VR-1
ADFEE6 159117 ------- 11:15:52.573 C-9B VR-56
AE03E2 164995 ------- 11:05:48.199 C-130T VR-53/AX
AA5548 N765NA 978 11:03:33.139 B-747 North American Airlines
AA5548 N765NA ------- 11:03:19.735 B-747 North American Airlines
ADFEEC 160048 VVJT743 10:58:54.708 C-9B VR-52
ADFEEC 160048 ------- 10:58:29.915 C-9B VR-52
ADFDE0 94-7319 SUMIT71 10:46:16.347 C-130H AFRC/302AW/731AS
ADFDE0 94-7319 ------- 10:46:15.332 C-130H AFRC/302AW/731AS
AE0580 87-0035 HAGAR25 10:27:19.343 C-5B 436thAW
AE1240 04-4135 RCH286 10:24:22.253 C-17A 6thAS
AE151A 166377 ------- 10:23:34.778 C-37B VR-1
01008C 1295/SU-BKU --- 10:18:57.062 C-130H EgyptianAF
AE1167 02-0202 BOXER 45 10:18:55.765 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE1240 04-4135 ------- 10:18:08.765 C-17A 6thAS
AE0580 87-0035 ------- 10:17:44.140 C-5B 436thAW
AE1167 02-0202 ------- 10:16:38.328 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE07F5 97-0043 E70043 10:10:32.093 C-17A 437thAW
AE07F5 97-0043 ------- 10:10:31.078 C-17A 437thAW
AE17EF 05-0730 SPAR10 10:09:58.765 C-40C 932ndAW
AE17EF 05-0730 ------- 10:08:24.765 C-40C 932ndAW
AE0167 86-0202 AVIONICS 10:03:21.765 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE0167 86-0202 ------- 10:01:08.765 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE016D 84-0075 PACER10 09:57:23.765 C-21A 457thAS
ADFEEC 160048 VVJT743 09:54:52.765 C-9B VR-52
AE016D 84-0075 ------- 09:54:39.765 C-21A 457thAS
ADFEEC 160048 ------- 09:54:06.125 C-9B VR-52
AE1197 03-3114 RCH3114 00:00:35.792 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
AE1197 03-3114 ------- 00:00:03.307 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG

 

[freqhopping]

There is a ramp freeze at Andrews for something. 15 AUG 18:45 2009 UNTIL 15 AUG 19:15Z
SAM-5484 flight has been holding for 30 minutes and is getting low on fuel. On the MPD Special Ops Div channel I can hear an escort working it's way through the city, not sure if it's related.
SAM-5484 will try to get a waiver.


1528- The escort has now arrived at its destination.

 

[TinEar]

Had an Egyptian poobah land at Andrews at 1442. It was with Andrews Tower on 118.4 for landing runway 19R. His callsign was Egyption 01 and was displaying EGY01 on Mode-S. Registration was SU-GGG, an A342 belonging to the Egyptian Government according to Airframes. He used full ADS-B on his flight so could follow him right to ADW. Lost the signal at 1725 feet which indicates a weak Mode-S transmitter. On that runway, I usually can track them down to 800-1000 feet. Pilot had almost no trace of an accent. Hex code was 010024.
According to news reports, Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president is supposed to arrive here Monday. So...was this him arriving early or the advance team? If the advance team, why would they have a ramp freeze in place for it?

Travis, I've been logging that S5484 since 1415. (C-20B, 86-0202, 99th AS Andrews).
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A chunk of the SBS log while I'm here:

AE1235 03-3124 ------- 15:29:37.727 C-17A 437thAW
AE0561 85-0004 ------- 15:15:43.998 C-5B 436thAW
AE0361 59-1444 ------- 15:05:25.392 KC-135R ANG/OH/121ARW/
AE18EE 79-0104 ------- 15:02:26.347 A-10A 104thFS
ADFEE9 159120 VVJU052 15:00:36.660 C-9B VR-56
ADFEE9 159120 ------- 14:59:55.051 C-9B VR-56
ADFEE6 159117 VVJU117 14:33:25.179 C-9B VR-56
AE10B5 01-0186 RCH1186 14:30:57.103 C-17A 62ndAW
AE10B5 01-0186 ------- 14:30:51.416 C-17A 62ndAW
ADFEE6 159117 ------- 14:26:12.325 C-9B VR-56
ADFDE0 94-7319 SUMIT71 14:23:21.499 C-130H AFRC/302AW/731AS
AE03D3 164442 YANKY74 14:22:34.375 KC-130T VMGR-452/NY
ADFDE0 94-7319 ------- 14:21:35.266 C-130H AFRC/302AW/731AS
AE0167 86-0202 AVIONICS 14:21:01.345 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE0168 86-0203 4902 14:16:36.270 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE0167 86-0202 ------- 14:16:11.067 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE03D3 164442 ------- 14:14:04.038 KC-130T VMGR-452/NY
AE18EE 79-0104 ------- 14:12:17.039 A-10A 104thFS
AE0168 86-0203 ------- 14:12:07.039 C-20B 89thAW/99thAS
AE1240 04-4135 RCH286 13:42:20.261 C-17A 6thAS
AE1240 04-4135 ------- 13:41:48.168 C-17A 6thAS
AE146C 07-7174 RCH277 13:33:02.087 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE146C 07-7174 ------- 13:32:34.088 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE123B 04-4130 RCH285 13:27:33.143 C-17A 6thAS
AE123B 04-4130 ------- 13:27:19.096 C-17A 6thAS
ADFEE8 159119 CNV9873 13:26:13.410 C-9B VR-56
ADFEE8 159119 ------- 13:26:01.098 C-9B VR-56

 

[jsoergel]

AE01BD 84-0131 JOSA585 12:33:34.521 C-21A 457thAS
AE01BD 84-0131 ------- 12:33:20.209 C-21A 457thAS

JOSA 585 (C-21A, 84-0131) - called Patterson Dispatch with a departure message; off KIND at 2331Z, pass on to TACC at DSN 779-0322

 

[jsoergel]

Had an unknown landing within the past hour: no call ahead, one communication with tower (callsign was cut off, but the last digit might have been 4) - I'd put my money on an E-4B. Was there one logged on the SBS net this evening?

 

[mdmonitor]

Navy 100

Guys,

AE151A 166377 VV100 11:16:49.895 C-37B VR-1

Seeing this guy alot always using the Navy 100 callsign. Wonder if this is the acft used by SevNav or Chief NAVOPS. Similar to Marine 101 which is used by USMC Commandant.

 

[jsoergel]

Need some help with four IDs for this morning:

RIDER 31 (unid) - actually arrived last night, I just didn't hear it
CARMEN 4 (unid) - departing Springfield ANGB, direct APE
MARINE 817 (unid) - haven't heard it depart yet
MAUL 44 (unid) - did two approaches before departing, sounded like two pilots (one with a mask, one without), cleared TRIVO-CVG-PXV then as filed, using VHF

VADER 02 (C-130H, 89-9102) - arrived and departed

 

[Mark]

That (AE1256) we logged here Friday has made it to Europe
spotted as KC-130J 166512/QB VMGR-352 Miramar.

Also here today logged SLEW 15 C-17 #05-5152 15AW Hawaii.
FL 30k down to 29k. last at 1940z.

Mark

 

[adrian65]

1925
Just caught tracking with full ADS-B on sbs was .....

01-0028 C-37A with Spar28 in the c/s block.

Track shows a departure from the former Otis ANGB to the SW.
My record shows arrival around 1635

 

[JohnFB]

Bombers arriving @ LFI Saturday?

Anyone catch any bomber types landing @ Langley early Saturday afternoon??

1602Z : ???? 41 interplane 300.125 - bry brief, something about WX
1606Z : ???? 41 wkg ZBW on 290.300 CAPE18
1606Z : ???? 41 chk in ZBW 299.700 HTO31
1613Z : ???? 41 chk in ZDC 281.450 SIE59 - change destination today to LFI Langley


...... and they were gone ..........

 

[jsoergel]

Anyone catch any bomber types landing @ Langley early Saturday afternoon??

1602Z : ???? 41 interplane 300.125 - bry brief, something about WX
1606Z : ???? 41 wkg ZBW on 290.300 CAPE18
1606Z : ???? 41 chk in ZBW 299.700 HTO31
1613Z : ???? 41 chk in ZDC 281.450 SIE59 - change destination today to LFI Langley


...... and they were gone ..........

Well, if you're sure they were bombers, there are only three options: B-1, B-2, and B-52. Rule out the B-2, because (1) they usually fly alone and (2) wouldn't land anywhere but Whiteman. If I had to take a guess, I'd say it was a flight of B-1s; they fly together fairly often.

Still looking for any info on my logs from earlier today, and add one: REACH 151 (C-5A) - should be 445th AW, but I need a tail.

 

[jsoergel]

Also had REACH 8215 (C-5A, 68-0215) return. A2 for 8 different writeups, no pax, no cargo, parking A6.

 

[Mark]

Still looking for any info on my logs from earlier today, and add one: REACH 151 (C-5A) - should be 445th AW, but I need a tail.

Was out of town all weekend here till Sunday afternoon but did log C-5A
#70-0457 Wright-Pat around Dover 1940z Sunday.

Mark

 

[mdmonitor]

VHF Prop

Guys,

VHF propagation is very good this morning. Picking up ground side of PTC (118.95;119.85;119.3;125.65;128.35) all quite clear & readable. Will disappear soon but nice to hear while it's around.

0812 EDT--Just picked up ground side L/C of 254.3 ZDC Coyle--a first for me

0823- Also picking up ground side of an approach/departure/center on 354.0---new one for me. Id's self as ZNY...Accoding to my list it's BARNEGAT RCAG 354.00000 HIGH DISCRETE --WOW !!!! Good conditions

0900 EDT--most of the ground sides have gone away---but it was fun while it lasted.