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[Mark]

1130 TOPCAT-03 KC-135 #63-8003 with McGuire 108th ARW Ops 303.000 looking all over this morning
for offloads.Also tried Atlantic City Ops 261.000 looking for receivers.
"How about Langley? That might be too far for them".

1203 A couple 171 ARW Pittsburgh KC-135 tankers showing up at 34k-35k #58-0084 and #59-1504.
1210 Tankers A/A on Steel Ctrl Ops 293.700 then sw to Ar-777 PRIMARY 228.000 meeting HAGAR 71
C-5B out of Dover #85-0005,Tankers report running 11 minutes late as STEEL 11 flight.

Mark

 

[mdmonitor]

Useful Info

guys,

John B and I were looking for some navigational fix info. Here's what we got in reply from an ATC controller. The link has alot of useful info on it:

Ok gents, here's where your tax dollars return some value to you (in a very small way):

I've been an air traffic controller since 1982. While I'm far from knowing everything, I do know where to look most things up as they pertain to ATC.

The FAA has a myriad of publications on-line, and Joint Order (JO) 7350.8(series), Location Identifiers, is one of them.

It is *the* governing book on Identifiers in US airspace. You can Encode and Decode. And just like a bad infomercial, "But wait, there's more..."

You can also look up Airspace Fixes by letter. One thing to remember about navigational fixes- they just have to be pronounceable- proper spelling takes a backseat (especially since each fix has to have it's own spelling- two fixes may sound alike "woods" but can be spelled WOODS, WOODZ, WUUDS, etc).

Ok, enough with Airspace 101- here's the link:

LOCATION IDENTIFIERS FAAO 7350.7W

or tiny url: LOCATION IDENTIFIERS FAAO 7350.7W

Scroll down to Section 6, Assignment Listings, Subsection P, Airspace Fixes, and you can look them up by letter.

For the two fixes in question:

RESQU OA 37-28-45.8700N 071-26-49.8000W

FUBRR MD OTT*C*051.96/45.29 BAL*C*088.67
39-15-57.3500N 076-05-41.5900W

Notes-

1. The fix name is followed by the state where the fix is located. For RESQU, I believe OA is Oceanic Airspace. Obviously, for FUBRR, it's located in Maryland.

2. The FUBRR information first gives the Radial/DME cut off of the two forming NAVAIDS- in this case, the Nottingham VOR 052 Radial (rounded-up) at 45 DME and the Baltimore 089 Radial. Where those two radials intersect is the point in space where the fix is located.

Look around and investigate a bit, and this could become a handy tool.

Lee

 

[mdmonitor]

Logs, 5 Feb

ACY-Atlantic City NJ
ADW- Andrews AFB MD
BW- Bay Watch-NAS PAX Area Advisory Control
DOV- Dover AFB DE
GK- Giantkiller (FACSFAC, Virginia Capes)
MTN-Martin State Airport, Baltimore
NGTF-Northrop-Grumman Test Facility, Baltimore
NXX- Willow Grove JRB PA
PAX-NAS Patuxent River MD
PTC- Potomac Area TRACON
WRI-McGuire AFB NJ
ZBW-Boston ARTCC
ZDC- Washington ARTCC
ZNY- New York ARTCC

1. VHF/UHF: ((Times are EST))

0749- JOSA 898-w/Griffin CP (378.1)
0806- Navy 7N091 (UC-12, Base Flt ADW)-depart ADW (118.95). Returns to ADW at 1549.
0825- Marine 274 (UC-35, MAW-4 ADW)-depart ADW (125.65)
0854- Jena 94 (FBI acft, Manassas VA)-w/PTC (119.85) reporting mission complete.
0913- Navy JT 143 (C-9, VR-52, NXX)-w/PTC (128.35 & 119.85) land at ADW (118.4)
0916- Iron flt (4 x F-22s, Langley AFB VA)-in W386 for ACM training (292.3 & 373.1)
0943- Navy AX998 (C-130T # 164998, VR-53 ADW)-patterns at ADW (128.35, 119.3 & 118.4)
0944- Blackjack 2 (HH-65C, CGAS Washington)-check in w/ADW tower (118.4) for afld transition.
0958- Guard 413 (UH-1/UH-60 # 21413, MD ArNG Weide AAF)-depart Weide (126.2) for local afld work.
1001- Axeman flt (2 X A-10Cs, 104th FS MD ANG MTN)-depart MTN (317.425) then w/PAX approach (314.0) then on BW discrete (355.8) for CAS training using GBU-12s, JDAM 38s, 30 MM, no lasers.
1002- Navy 691 (C-20D # 163691, VR-1 ADW)-depart ADW (125.65)
1010- Titus 26 (C-130T, VR-53, ADW)-w/PTC (119.3)
1022- DeeCee 41 (KC-135R, 756th ARS ADW)-depart ADW (125.65) then w/Liberator CP (351.2) w/departure msg. Liberator also passes status of ?Tiger? 75 who took off at 1510Z. Then checks in w/ZDC
(133.9). At 1606 w/PTC (128.35) then land at ADW (118.4)
1025- Wardog flt (2 X A-10C, 104th FS MD ANG MTN)-depart MTN (317.425) then w/BW (270.8) and on BW discrete (355.8)
1335- Pacer 50 (C-21, 457th AS ADW)-depart ADW (125.65)
1339- PAT 993-w/PTC (128.35) then land at ADW (118.4)
1347- Warhog flt (A-10S, 103rd FS PA ANG NXX)-check in w/ZNY (239.05)
1403- Ravage flt (F-16s,121st FS DC NG ADW)-w/PTC (348.725)
1412- Raven flt (A-10Cs,104th FS MD ANG MTN)-check in w/PAX approach (314.0) then w/BW (256.5) working w/Axeman 1 (OA-10C, 104th FS MD ANG MTN) in CAS training. Axeman and Colts RTB MTN
(317.425 & 297.2) at 1615.
1415- Marine 131 (UC-35, MAW-4 ADW)-w/PTC (119.85)
1541- Titus 23 (C-130T, VR-53, ADW)-w/PTC (119.3) then patterens at ADW (118.4
1542- Opec 76 (KC-10A 2nd/32nd ARS MCGUIRE AFB NJ)-w/McGuire CP (319.4) w/inbound msg. Have 11 sqdn pax w/bags. Must be coming back from out-of-area trip.
1557- N24NG (Citation 550, NGTF)-w/PTC (128.35) then land at Baltimore (124.55 & 119.4). Also w/Northrop Base (123.225).
1559- Navy 7C843 (UC-12, Base Flt NAS Chambers VA)-w/PTC (128.35)
1605- Colt flt (A-10Cs, 104th FS MD ANG MTN)-w/PTC (317.425)
1609- Navy 377 (C-37 # 166377, VR-1 ADW)-w/ZDC (133.9) then w/PTC (119.85) for landing at ADW (118.4)
1633- Navy JR093 (C-20G # 165093, VR-58 ADW)-w/PTC (128.35) then patterns at ADW (118.4)
1634- PAT 918-land at ADW (118.4)
1648- Navy 7A501 (UC-12, Base Flt PAX)-w/PAX approach (120.05)


2. HF: ((Times UTC, Freqs KHz))

09025.0 221103 (C-17 # 02-1103, 62AW,McChord AFB WA): 1438 USB/ALE calling ADW (Andrews AFB MD).
09025.0 500320 (KC-135R # 60-0320, 319 ARW,Grand Forks AFB, ND): 1529 USB/ALE sounding.
09025.0 160025 (C-5M # 86-0025,9th AS/436th AMW Dover AFB DE): 1709 USB/ALE sounding.
09025.0 500357 (KC-135 # 60-0357, 22 ARW,McConnell AFB, KS): 1939 USB/ALE w/ICZ (Sigonella IT) & JNR (Salinas PR).
09025.0 RUH (partial call-UH-60L, 1-228th Avn Bn Soto Cano AB Honduras): 2058 USB/ALE calling JNR.


Ron (mdmonitor1@verizon.net)
Baltimore MD (390747N 763711W)
VHF/UHF: BC-895XLT/RS Pro-2045
Diamond D-130J discone
HF: Icom R75 & Sangean ATS 909
45-ft EF-SWL & 70-ft random wire

 

[freqhopping]

NIGHTHAWK-15 talking to HMX-1 control. 277.175 Sounds like he's picking up someone before heading out for the night portion of whatever they're doing.

About 1520 I saw three Army H-60s in McLean, looked to be heading to DAA. And then 5 minutes later an HMX-1 VH-3D was eastbound on helo Rt9.

1737- ADFEE1 PAT-2403 departing. 118.95
1748- BULLY-MARSA- RAVAGE flight with TRACON dep to ZDC-Calvert.

1756- BULLY-RAVAGE to Norfolk App 290.425 at FL220.


1755- AF-1 due to depart in just a few minutes. The first Obama AF-1 flight. He's due back later tonight.
1805- AF-1 direct DAILY 125.65.
1807- On the box at 7600ft.

1809- E-6B 164406 on the box at FL260. Inbound from the west over Bath Co, VA.
1848- JENA-220 N212EB 124.65>118.95>119.85 at 2400 req 090 at 3 DME for 4500
1849- PAT-173 inbound 119.85. ADFD75 I think. Heard with ZDC-Irons earlier while searching for the E-6B.
1851- ARMY-1944 with ZDC-Blackstone, north of Lake Gaston.

1919- 406 inbound, didn't get to AR (Probably went down to Pulaski judging by their track). They will be going back out tonight. Need to refuel on the ground. 310.15
1921- PACER-50 with ZDC-Irons, hoping to hear the E-6B here.
1922- ABLE-25 with ZDC-Irons.
1926- ABLE-25 with to ZDC-Calvert, definitely the E-6B.
1931- PASTRAMI calling CLAYBIRD, advises they will be on the deck in 10 minutes. 311.0

 

[TinEar]

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/LID/LIDHME.htmRESQU OA 37-28-45.8700N 071-26-49.8000W

1. The fix name is followed by the state where the fix is located. For RESQU, I believe OA is Oceanic Airspace. Obviously, for FUBRR, it's located in Maryland.

The OA stands for Offshore Atlantic. John sent that request to one of the boards last night and I replied to it this morning when I saw his message but I don't know if he ever received it.

I use an even better source - if there can be a better source than the "horse's mouth." It spells out some of the info and even tells you which ARTCC it belongs to. Here's the link:
http://www.fltplan.com/navaidfixes.htm
You can look up both airspace fixes and navaids from the same simple page. For instance, here's the info it gave for RESQU:

Fix Name: RESQU
Identifier: RESQU
Lat/Long: 37-28-45.870N / 071-26-49.800W
State Name: OFFSHORE ATLANTIC
Fix Category: Civil
Charts: ENROUTE HIGH
ENROUTE LOW

Charting Info: COMPULSORY
Fix Use: RNAV-WP
ARTCC: ZNY

It just seems easier to use than the FAA's page - or at least it does to me.
**********************************************

By Kate Wiltrout
The Virginian-Pilot
© February 4, 2009

Two Navy pilots safely landed aboard the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt after their jets accidentally touched during flight operations Monday over the Arabian Sea.

A Navy official with knowledge of the incident said the two F/A-18 Hornet pilots, assigned to Strike Fighter Squadron 87 at Oceana Naval Air Station in Virginia Beach, had been in the air for about 30 minutes en route to Afghanistan when their wingtips made contact. The jets returned to the carrier. Neither pilot was injured, and both have been removed from flight status while the incident is evaluated. The official did not know the extent of the damage to the aircraft.

The Norfolk-based Roosevelt deployed in September.
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/02/fa18s-land-safely-carrier-after-wings-bump
*****************************************

There was also an interesting story in The Hill about the shortage of Air Force fighters. Too long to reprint here but worth reading. Here's the link:
http://thehill.com/business--lobby/...ortfall-of-fighters-gao-finds-2009-02-03.html

 

[BM82557]

Hagerstown/Thurmont

Notam active this weekend:

Effective Date(s): From February 07, 2009 at 2045 UTC (February 07, 2009 at 1545 EST) To February 08, 2009 at 2230 UTC (February 08, 2009 at 1730 EST)

 

[Tech792]

1654- JENA 61 making a full stop at Navy Lakehurst (NJ) on 127.775
1706- GIANT 8138 (Atlas Air Cargo) inbound McGuire AFB on 134.10
1919- SAM 4243 with HUNTRESS "Mode 1372" on 364.2

 

[kmacka]

I saw that Air Force 1 had taken off from Andrews earlier this afternoon. Does anyone know if he traveled in the VC-25? I had this on ACARS this afternoon at 7:10 PM EST:

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: ..90402
Message label: 16 Block id: 2 Msg. no: M11A
Flight id: MC0001
Message content:-
(2AAACN39345W 75237EDDMETARCYQXEINNETAD-/O(Z

Now the flight id shows MC0001, but the aircraft registration is 90402, which is this aircraft (90402 Gulfstream C-37 VC-37A/G-V 571 MC USM ---- 99-0402 99th AS Andrews AFB).

Picture: Aviation Photos: 99-0402

Is is possible that he traveled in this aircraft as AF1, as opposed to the VC-25. I may be wrong, but just found it a weird coincidence.

 

[TinEar]

I saw that Air Force 1 had taken off from Andrews earlier this afternoon. Does anyone know if he traveled in the VC-25? I had this on ACARS this afternoon at 7:10 PM EST:

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: ..90402
Message label: 16 Block id: 2 Msg. no: M11A
Flight id: MC0001
Message content:-
(2AAACN39345W 75237EDDMETARCYQXEINNETAD-/O(Z

Now the flight id shows MC0001, but the aircraft registration is 90402, which is this aircraft (90402 Gulfstream C-37 VC-37A/G-V 571 MC USM ---- 99-0402 99th AS Andrews AFB).

Picture: Aviation Photos: 99-0402

Is is possible that he traveled in this aircraft as AF1, as opposed to the VC-25. I may be wrong, but just found it a weird coincidence.

Air Force One was the real deal today...82-8000, the VC-25A. It went wheels up from Andrews at 1805. The 99-0402 aircraft was SAM 4243 which is mentioned above.

Ref below:

99-0042 was showing S0000 (SAM-0000) which I last logged at 18:59.

That's strange Travis. I had 99-0402 showing S4243 at about the same time you logged it. It was still showing S4243 when it was logged heading over ACK a little while later. It might be heading to Europe.

 

[freqhopping]

I saw that Air Force 1 had taken off from Andrews earlier this afternoon. Does anyone know if he traveled in the VC-25?.

Yes, 82-8000. AF-2 was 01-0041 a little while earlier. 99-0042 was showing S0000 (SAM-0000) which I last logged at 18:59.

1948- NIGHTHAWK-15 ten minutes out from Mt. Weather. 241.0

2149- Got SAM-93 on the box at 7500 for a while now, haven't heard with ATC anywhere yet. Also showing 74-1676, a C-130 from Alaska, likely being moved because of the Volcano.
2157- SAM-93 finally going in. Thought I heard him mention something about the winds on 136.725. AF-1 orderwire now being received too.

2204- E-6B 406 is airborne again with a good jet. 310.15
2206- ????-31 with ZDC-Calvert.
2207- AF-1 on the box at FL120, inbound.
2212- BOBO?-31 still with ZDC-Calvert.

2225- E-6B 164408 is flying around over Iraq currently SE of Al-Kut.

 

[TinEar]

1930: CRAB 20 (C-130J, 98-1356, 135th AS MD-ANG MTN) and 97-1351 (probably CRAB 21) up from Martin State on a low level mission in the area...squawking 1200 VFR code...148.925
1947: BOXER 46 (C-40C, 02-0203, 201st AS Andrews) working his Squadron freq...giving ETA 0110Z...314.25
1953: REACH 1815 (C-17A, 90-0534, 437th AW Charleston) arriving at ADW but is using UHF this time...270.275

For most of the day today, TERRA 97 (C-32B, 02-4452, 227th SOF NJ-ANG McGuire) has been flying around the MD/VA/DE/NJ areas. He's been up for many, many hours and using full ADS-B. He has descended a few times today at Andrews but hasn't landed that I've heard. After the approach there, he'll circle around and head for southern VA.

 

[JLM7424]

Off topic.. Source says tail of that US Airways in Hudson River was N106US. CACTUS 1549.
Logged on my RB here today

? Whats a " RB "

 

[jetcrafter]

OK, are you sure it was a C-130???? These BKs are driving me mental .......

Wed
btwn 2000Z & 2100Z : Unknown wkg GK on 338.100 - rather weak, but discussion on chking modes, then codes and verify ID

2102Z : NAVY BK 041 wkg ATC HTO31 on 299.700 - chk in
2118Z : NAVY BK 041 wkg ATC BOS46 on 360.900 - nxt frq 128.200?? RGR
2118Z : NAVY BK 041 wkg ATC PRS16 on 128.100 - chk in [weak, but prolly heading north]

Now, I was sure he was a P-3 ..... until I say your post ....... definitely same voice as I heard working GK earlier.

John and Ron,

As far as I know, the C-130 squadron uses the call: JW### The BK### has always been P-3s.

 

[TinEar]

? Whats a " RB "

RB is for RadarBox. Airnav's RadarBox is a Mode-S receiver that followed the Kinetics SBS to market. I and several people here run them. There's a couple of threads on the Aircraft Forum or you can Google either brand and learn about them.

 

[Mark]

Air Force One was the real deal today...82-8000, the VC-25A. It went wheels up from Andrews at 1805. The 99-0402 aircraft was SAM 4243 which is mentioned above.

A lot of G-5/ type USAF/Navy pax aircraft etc flying around today.Guess new Admin Govt types getting their first rides.
VP Joe scheduled to Germany Friday I assume on AF-2.

2300 HAGAR 71 C-5B #85-0005 still flying around Dover tonite.They put some miles and hours on that one today.

Mark

 

[Hudson464]

1130 TOPCAT-03 KC-135 #63-8003 with McGuire 108th ARW Ops 303.000 looking all over this morning
for offloads.Also tried Atlantic City Ops 261.000 looking for receivers.
"How about Langley? That might be too far for them".

1203 A couple 171 ARW Pittsburgh KC-135 tankers showing up at 34k-35k #58-0084 and #59-1504.
1210 Tankers A/A on Steel Ctrl Ops 293.700 then sw to Ar-777 PRIMARY 228.000 meeting HAGAR 71
C-5B out of Dover #85-0005,Tankers report running 11 minutes late as STEEL 11 flight.

Mark

Hi Mark,

About 1PM today I heard STEEL 71 talking on 311.0...is this the same tanker that you heard?

They were talking about getting a parking spot.

Could you tell me what is HAGAR 71?

Thanks.

Dan

 

[JohnFB]

John B and I were looking for some navigational fix info. Here's what we got in reply from an ATC controller. The link has alot of useful info on it:

Woo-Woo!!! You rock, tnx. Now, since the airspace fixed point look-up @ arinav.com hasn't worked for sqwat for ages, I wonder to what database its search engine is linked.


tnx Ron

And tnx Tin for your link as well

 

[JohnFB]

1130 TOPCAT-03 KC-135 #63-8003 with McGuire 108th ARW Ops 303.000 looking all over this morning
for offloads.Also tried Atlantic City Ops 261.000 looking for receivers.
"How about Langley? That might be too far for them".

.... and TOPCAT 2 was @ Westover doing transitions and departed around noon local for Calvertown MANTA flt plan route.

 

[JohnFB]

No one listens to maintenance

as we used to say .... ehto vse gavno

Offutt whistle-blower punished

Of course, with all the bells & whistles they've received since we flew on them, it's hard for me personally to say whether the KC-135 airframes are any safer than the Nimrods they will eventually replace.

 

[mdmonitor]

Af2

0804- Air Force 2 (C-32, 1st AS ADW)-depart ADW (125.65) then check in w/ZDC (133.9) At 0811 QSY to 119.45