Talladega System

[acepilot340]

Hello all,
I'm going to be heading to the races this weekend and I'm trying to figure out who's who on what system. Looks like there are 2 different systems, an analog and a P25. I've read somewhere that they set up a temporary EDACS site?

I'm basically interested in traffic coordination during the races and after. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[trace1]

There are others used of course but since you're mostly just interested in traffic coordination you'd be better off at monitoring the following frequencies.

158.790 Alabama State Trooper Dispatch

159.030 Alabama State Trooper Cars to Jacksonville Post

155.475 Mobile Command at Track/AL-DPS

155.010 Alabama Mutual Aid-State Net

462.350 DCS Code 431-Track Security

 

[mully95]

Hello all,
I'm going to be heading to the races this weekend and I'm trying to figure out who's who on what system. Looks like there are 2 different systems, an analog and a P25. I've read somewhere that they set up a temporary EDACS site?

I'm basically interested in traffic coordination during the races and after. Any help would be appreciated.

Did you have any luck with scanning while you was down there?

I just got back myself and had every system (LTR,P25,EDACS,CVN) programmed from the Database and I didn't get much at all. I got the VFD but that was it. I thought I had the P25 programmed with errors but once I got back I found that it was fine. My scanner couldn't find the Band Plan freq is all I can come up with. I did a Public Service scan and found a law channel and it decoded as P25 but I don't who I was listening to. Basically my scanner was "dead". I did pick up the drivers and spotters at the race however.

 

[mully95]

There are others used of course but since you're mostly just interested in traffic coordination you'd be better off at monitoring the following frequencies.

158.790 Alabama State Trooper Dispatch

159.030 Alabama State Trooper Cars to Jacksonville Post

155.475 Mobile Command at Track/AL-DPS

155.010 Alabama Mutual Aid-State Net

462.350 DCS Code 431-Track Security

I did a full scan using Public Service and I didn't get any traffic on the freqs you posted. The only freqs that I got was in the 800Mhz but nothing in the lower freqs but the VFD which was in the 400Mhz.

 

[acepilot340]

Sorry for the late reply.

Yeah, I had everything programed and I wasn't hearing a peep on my 246t, but the 396xt was picking up the Talladega 4 County P25 system, only problem is a lot of the TG were not identified. Seems like that area has a lot of serious updating needed.

I had the statewide EDACS system programmed and the CC was very strong, but didn't hear a peep all weekend.

Another thing I noticed was there were so many different municipalities there! I think I counted a dozen different county/town municipalities driving around.

I was originally going to be heading to the track Friday afternoon, but one look at the radar changed my mind. So, I left Saturday morning and got to the track, barely found a camp site in the South Family lot (everything was flooded) and went to the GN race. I did all my scanning Saturday evening around the campfire. Sunday we got up very early, headed to the North parking lot, cooked and went to the race. After the CUP race, we got the heck out and that was it.

Basically, all I was able to hear was the track security. I wish I had more time to sit there and figure it all out. I can't tell you how many times I saw police going code somewhere and didn't have a clue what was going on. You would think that everyone would be using one system so everyone knows what is going on. If I ever go back, I'll have a much better game plan since its very clear that they have a lot of unidentified talkgroups on whatever system it is.

 

[mully95]

Can you remember the TGID on P25 system for Talladega 4?

I must have not had something programmed right after all using the 396T. You had better luck than I. The last time I went it was doing good but not this time so I can relate with the police going code and not hearing traffic. I was camping at the North camp area where the main entrance is located. Got there Friday around 6pm and went to a friends house in Pell City until the storms passed. Then went back around 9. Left Monday morning around 9am. Its nice to leave a day later. lol

The thing about it is there wasn't enough traffic for me to get a fix on was going on. I found one CC that was active and decoded as P25. I added the CC to the already programmed P25 system hoping it would get the TGIDS going but that didn't work either. It was so bad I just the the scanner off Sunday night and said the heck with it. I really wouldnt know any different game plan that what I was doing at the camp ground but any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[acepilot340]

The only TGID I am able to remember is 1713, I had a lot more quick saved in the system, but I deleted the system since last weekend. Perhaps you would have had more luck if you were doing an ID SEARCH.

Leaving Monday would have been nice, unfortunately I went with my friend who had an important class on Monday morning so we had to leave right away.

As far as what I would do differently next time, I would program the P25 system in my scanner and set it to do an ID SEARCH. I would program as many trunked analog and uhf/vhf systems in my 246t.

More importantly I would arrive a day early, and bring my laptop so I can A: view database pages and B: easily program systems into my scanners, and C: Set up a recording of audio and TGID hits. What I'm going to want to do is set a custom scan for some different ranges of frequencies and have them do a CC SCAN. I think I will mainly program 700/800 mhz ranges. If I find a CC and I don't see it in the database, I'll create a new system using freescan on my laptop and try to save as many TGID as I can, so then later I can be able to identify what is related to the race, and what is not. While I'm at the racetrack, I will more than likely set up my laptop and scanner at the campsite to record the audio and this will also enable me to review what was heard on unidentified TGID's and possibly identify them. I would probably lockout what I heard on Friday and just scan everything else.

It's pretty technical, but it would more than likely work and you would have a very good list of TGID by Saturday night, leaving Sunday and Monday for just scanning. Unfortunately, I more than likely will not be going back for a long time because I am a recent college grad and I will be working very shortly.

I hope this helps.

 

[mully95]

I really don't know what to think. I had all the red CC freqs programmed but didn't program the others that are in black. I'm talking about the P25 system.... Calhoun-Talladega Regional Public Safety Radio Trunking System, Anniston, Alabama - Scanner Frequencies

I had the system search set on ID SEARCH the entire time. Did you have the Control Channel only on or off? I tried both and still didn't get any traffic.

Where I live in Anderson SC the P25 system is Palmetto (Project 25) Trunking System, , South Carolina - Scanner Frequencies

I have no trouble with it. Some of the TGIDs that are in the Anderson County Talkgroup site are some that I found. I found them using ID SEARCH and reported them to administrator brian. But.... in the Band Plan on my scanner there is a freq 851.00625 and 762.00625 that aren't listed for the Anderson County system. I have no earthly idea where they came from but they are there. Everytime I do some changes I always program them back in the Band Plan. I believe this is the problem I had at Talladega.... no Band Plan freqs. Probably not making since but trying to get to the bottom of it.


I should have jumped on my friends laptop and do what you mentioned. Might have found out what I had wrong.

 

[acepilot340]

I actually did not have any P25 system programed into my scanner before going to the track. I just did a Custom scan and under the options I selected CC ONLY scan. When I found a CC I just created the system manually and just added TGID as they came up.

It does not seem like you were doing anything wrong, I'm really under the impression that this system needs some serious updating. I know Talladega is not a very populated county, so the chances of someone with a scanner, and being able to know how to search for and identify a system are somewhat slim.

I've been in this hobby for about 5 years now, and it took me a few years to develop techniques and learn everything about my county's EDACS system. I also knew officers and asked some questions about things like rebanding and mysterious TGID's. Because of this I was able to find and identify new talkgroups very fast and accurately. For me, half the fun is searching for new talkgroups and trying to identify them. I lived in a heavily populated county and I only knew a few other guys who like me, monitored the system and watched for changes with the system.

I hope you have better luck if you go to the next race in the Fall.

 

[mully95]

I actually did not have any P25 system programed into my scanner before going to the track. I just did a Custom scan and under the options I selected CC ONLY scan. When I found a CC I just created the system manually and just added TGID as they came up.

Oh.... OK

I understand now. That's exactly what I should have done. I didn't think about doing that way. I suppose to go to the Fall race hopefully.