turf war for MD medevacs

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My suggestion is for MSP to stop flying wounded prisioners. Talk about your tax dollars at work there was apoint when they did 3 or 4 medevac flights out of Jessup within a week.

The second suggestion would be to stop providing medevac flights to perps injured or wounded during their arrest. How amny times has a perp goten hurt after a police chase only to be flown to Baltimore.
 

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I sent WBAL-TV a message after the I-Team story aired about their bias to the private companies over MSP. MSP medevac Helo program is run with an $8 fee per year on Maryland vehicle registrations. Due to the small size of the State of Maryland MSP Helos can be at any point in the State in 25 minutes of less. The private medical helo companies bill upwards of $8000 for a inter hospital transport and many insurance companies cap it around $1200. Many patients have been stuck with huge sums of money after these flights. The private medevac companies have been lobbying in Maryland for the right to fly from scenes. We have good system in Maryland with a statewide medevac program and it never bills the people that have been saved. I feel it is a very cost effective program for the citizens of Maryland and let’s keep it that way.

Here is link to one company work to change things in Maryland
http://www.statmedevac.com/


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I have a nephew who was involved in a serious MVA in PG County last year. Within minutes of extrication he was in the OR at Shock Trauma in Baltimore. He had a hard enough time dealing with hospital bills much less trying to pay for transport. For what it's worth he is a Maryland resident. "If it aint broke, don't fix it."
 

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No doubt trauma scene Med-Evacs can save your ass but in my case my late Father
had a expensive routine Air-Evac Hospital to Hospital transfer for eventual fatal brain aneurysm and I beat the chopper by 20 minutes by car when I think an ambulance would have sufficed.
He had good insurance which covered most of the $5000+ short 10 mile air trip.
As I think back to that day the local hospital knew he had good private insurance so they called up private Med chopper as routine.
In the end it didn't matter but I wonder if average street Joe with same trauma would have gotten the same treatment.
Was this private Med-Helo necessary?
My late Father would have said no way! To me sounds like one hand trying to wash the other for private Med helo transport and the cash!

Also I notice local Fire companies are also quick to get State Med helos when sometimes during waiting time for chopper they could had patient to Hospital quicker
by street ambulance.
You ever read news article that states "patient after Helo evac was released from Hospital several hours later" ?
I have..

Mark
 
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Washington Post: Choppy Winds for Air Rescue
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ST2007111701253

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Choppy Winds for Air Rescue
Legislature Endorses $110 Million Overhaul, but Hospital Drama Looms

By Candace Rondeaux
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 18, 2007; C01

Tree cover almost completely obscures the landing zone. Maryland State Trooper Joshua Chason searches the sprawling thicket of greenery about 1,000 feet below. The helicopter banks hard right as ground paramedics radio Chason an update.

Forty-seven-year-old man. Fell face-first three stories. Unconscious. Breathing labored. Blood pressure rapidly dropping.

The helicopter lands in an open field near a row of greenhouses in southern Charles County. Dust kicks up around Chason as he strides toward a waiting ambulance. Soon he is back in the air, wiping blood out of the unconscious man's mouth.

It's the first call of the day. In the next six hours, Chason will take off and land about 20 more times. Maryland State Police air rescue helicopter Trooper 2 will fly hundreds of miles across the District and four Maryland counties. With about 1,200 patients flown each year across a more than 1,400-square-mile area that includes parts of Prince George's County and Southern Maryland, Trooper 2 is among the busiest air rescue helicopters in the country.

Heavy demand has taken a toll on Trooper 2 and the 11 other helicopters in the state police air rescue operation, the only such statewide, publicly run service in the country and the national standard-bearer for safety. The 18-year-old fleet needs to be replaced. Last week, the General Assembly endorsed spending $110 million for an overhaul, despite a budget shortfall that could top $1.5 billion.

The alternative would be turning to the private air ambulance industry, which has grown rapidly in recent years as demand for emergency transport has soared. Patients, who are not charged for state-run flights, would pay dearly for private air ambulance service.

The state could save money immediately by no longer operating an air rescue service. But opponents of privatization say it would jeopardize safety and provide less coverage in rural areas where private service would be less profitable.

"Commercial helicopters want the business," said Mary Beachley, the state's trauma care coordinator, "but the problem is, if the state makes the decision that they're no longer going to carry the helicopter system, you're not going to have coverage in the lower rural counties because there's lower volume. It's economics."

Economics are hard to size up from where Chason is sitting. Hundreds of feet below, a golf course gives way to a strip mall. Subdivisions crest onto traffic-clogged roads. Within minutes, the red and white helipad at Prince George's Hospital Center floats into view.

The 47-year-old man's blood pressure is still dropping as Chason and hospital staff rush him to an emergency room that snaps to life the instant the patient enters. Chason briskly runs through the man's history, then heads back to the roof, where he spends a few minutes wiping blood off the helicopter's metal stretcher.

Blood is about the only constant. Chason has learned to expect almost anything on his 12-hour shifts. On any given day, a state helicopter can run a couple of medical calls, conduct searches for criminals or missing people, fly homeland security patrols, perform a water rescue, or all of the above.

"It's never a routine day," Chason says, a few hours later, back at Trooper 2's hangar at Andrews Air Force Base. A call comes in.

Lawn mower accident. Fifty-one-year-old guy in Charles County knocked unconscious by a machine gone berserk. Sounds bloody. Chason leans his head into the kitchen where pilot Ron Smith is gobbling down a plate of chicken.

"You've got to be kidding me. A flying lawn mower?" Smith, 56, says as he wipes his mouth and heads toward the cockpit.

By the time Trooper 2 touches down in a Waldorf parking lot, the man is conscious and seems to be alert. A ground paramedic explains that the man was talking to a salesman at a home improvement store when a lawn mower somehow came loose from an overhead display. The machine came crashing down on his head, briefly knocking him out.

Chason explains the situation to Smith over the chaotic chatter of dispatchers and air traffic controllers on the helicopter's six-channel radio while adjusting the man's neck brace. "He was shopping for a weed whacker and ended up with a head whacker," he says.

Some calls are a coin toss. The injury is serious but not necessarily critical. Or it's painful but not serious. Critics of the state-run system say that flights on a $6 million helicopter for such calls are unnecessary and costly. Low-priority missions, they say, should be left to private air ambulances to save taxpayer money.

But state police adhere to the concept promoted by the late R. Adams Cowley, the Maryland heart surgeon who dubbed the first 60 minutes after injury "the golden hour" and who helped found the state's aviation unit in 1970. Minutes saved on patient transport can prevent paralysis, coma or long-term disability, said Connie Potter, executive director of the National Foundation for Trauma Care, a New Mexico-based nonprofit group that advocates for trauma centers. "With trauma patients, it isn't just that they're going to die," Potter says. "It's that the outcome is miserable if they don't get immediate care. The recovery is more difficult."

Chason is told he'll have to fly the man injured by the lawnmower to Suburban Hospital in Bethesda because Prince George's has too many incoming patients. The reroute means a few extra minutes in the air but does not seem to mean a critical difference. The division's eight bases allow state police to be on scene anywhere in Maryland in 18 minutes or less.

During a shift change a few mornings later, Chason, 29, chats with Trooper 2 supervisor Cpl. Nathan "Sparky" Wheelock as a thick fog hovers over the hangar, temporarily grounding Trooper 2.

Wheelock, 34, got his start with a private ambulance in Massachusetts, later graduating from paramedic school in Boston. In his eight years as a state police air medic, Wheelock has saved a lot of lives. He has also watched the light go out of plenty of patients' eyes.

About eight hours into his 12-hour shift, Wheelock is in the back of the cramped helicopter cabin trying to stanch blood pouring from a woman's head. The stench of her vomit permeates the air along with the heavy fuel fumes from the helicopter's churning engine. Wheelock adjusts his helmet, then wipes vomit off the side of the stretcher as he calls ahead to Prince George's hospital.

A few minutes later, he calmly reels off the woman's condition as he and hospital staffers wheel her into the emergency room. The woman is in her 80s and was in a restaurant buffet line when she suddenly fell backward. A blood vessel in her head might have burst, Wheelock says.

As doctors and nurses swarm around the woman, Wheelock moves to the hallway and spends the next several minutes cleaning his equipment. "She's not in good shape at all," he says, shaking his head.

Neither is the hospital, and that worries some. Financially strapped, mired in a seemingly intractable tug of war between state and county officials and facing possible closure, the Prince George's hospital is part of a delicate web of trauma care centers the state police fleet flies to daily.

"We've just been holding our breath, because if they're going to close Prince George's, it's going to be a disaster," says Beachley, the state trauma director. "Not only will it be a disaster for trauma care, but for all the other medical services that are actually functioning in the area and the helicopter unit."

One less trauma center would mean longer flights for Trooper 2 to other hospitals. Longer flights could mean the difference between life and death.

"She needed immediate care," Wheelock says, nodding to the emergency room. "That would have been a 15-minute flight to Baltimore if the trauma center wasn't here. If they let Prince George's County hospital close, people like her might die."

Air rescue missions aren't just risky for patients. In a hallway at the hangar, six state troopers killed in three helicopter crashes stare out from a row of photos beneath the Gaelic words "Onoir du na marbh": Honor the dead.

Since the last crash in 1986, Maryland has become a model for safety. By contrast, crashes involving private air ambulances have soared in recent years, with 55 crashes from 2002 to 2005, according to a 2006 congressional report.

The recent spate of crashes prompted the National Transportation Safety Board last year to call for tougher safety standards that would restrict flights in adverse weather, enhance maintenance checks and upgrade technology. The agency also cited as contributing factors haphazard dispatching procedures and pressure to fly many missions as quickly as possible.

Rookie state Trooper Tabitha Long, 24, is too new to give crashes much thought.

Long flew her maiden mission as a state police air medic with the same pilot who carried her to safety when she was born prematurely a little more than two decades ago. "I've been wanting to do this since I was born," she says.

On the ground in Calvert County, Long listens intently as Bob Rogers, assistant fire chief for the town of Solomons, describes the condition of a young girl. Helicopter blades chop the air overhead.

Eighteen-month-old girl. Fell 14 feet from a porch deck.

As Long approaches the waiting ambulance, Rogers's face relaxes. "We couldn't do it without them because ground transport to the nearest hospital would take too long," Rogers says. "They have saved so many lives down here."

Back on the helicopter, Long rolls up the sleeves of her black flight suit and crouches over the girl to check her vitals. She adjusts the long cord stretching from the girl's tiny finger to a monitor. Wide-eyed and strapped to the stretcher, the girl stares silently out the window as Trooper 2's blades beat the twilight air.

The girl's mother looks on anxiously from a jump seat in the helicopter cabin as Long calls in the girl's condition to the Children's Hospital in the District. She chews her lip, her eyes never straying from the stretcher where her daughter lies beneath a heap of tubes and bandages.

Long gives the girl's hand a reassuring squeeze. She gives the girl's mother a thumbs up.
 

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When you need it, you won't care if it's MSP or a private helicopter. Luckily, the crews requesting a helo don't control or (have to) care if its one or the other.

On the other hand, it really doesn't make sense for one patient to get free transport and another to have to pay outrageous amounts of money for the same service.

And I keep hearing this "well, just submit the bill to your insurance company..." ... where do they think that money comes from? WE PAY for it.... one way or another. Insurance rates are out of control already!

If we're going to use commercial helos along side MSP (free) helos then they need to be "fully" integrated.... and there should be no difference in fees or cost to anyone.
 

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When you need it, you won't care if it's MSP or a private helicopter. Luckily, the crews requesting a helo don't control or (have to) care if its one or the other.

On the other hand, it really doesn't make sense for one patient to get free transport and another to have to pay outrageous amounts of money for the same service.

And I keep hearing this "well, just submit the bill to your insurance company..." ... where do they think that money comes from? WE PAY for it.... one way or another. Insurance rates are out of control already!

If we're going to use commercial helos along side MSP (free) helos then they need to be "fully" integrated.... and there should be no difference in fees or cost to anyone.


Using good sense before calling a helo in. Consider transport time, treatment needed, ER versus going straight to surgery.

ALOT...ALOT of Emergency providers call in a helo to pass the buck, make the scene look worse/exaggerate the circumstances. It is all a bunch of horse pucky.

Some EMS areas have a great MCP to work with, and protocols that can get things done. Other areas have to have an order from Medical Command to intubate. Shame on MCP for not trusting his co-horts in the field. Field personnel do Pre-hospital care. That is our speciality. We do not decide death or life, the man upstairs does.

It is a fact. Patients die on scene, Patients die en-route to the hospital, and Patients die in the ER. Some patients ( example burn patients ) die days or weeks after being admitted to the floor.

If I have a patient that needs surgery now, or am in a rural area with a prolonged transport time...Then I can justify calling in the bird. 20 minute transport time.......Humph...........:) Gives me time for my assessment,treatment, IV, Monitor, O2, pulse-ox, med-patch and secondary assessment.

You do not call in a helo because a news crew is on scene. By the time the helo gets the alert, pre-op flight check, checks the weather, gets clearance by the airport to get airborne, takes off and flys to the scene........The ambulance can be at the hospital.

A bad trauma, or a working code. Volunteer EMTS / Medics are great to take to the hospital. **Some** Medics..and especially EMTS very seldom get to perform their skills doing volunteer work. EMTS especially. Ya get them intubated..and ask them to squeeze the bag every 5 seconds..they are in heaven ; and more than likely will go back to the station and brag/tell of their feats. Volunteeers are great when it comes to assisting in pre-hospital care ; God Bless each and every one of them. So...Don't tie up a second truck/helicopter, for something a firefighter/first-responder on scene can do. It behouves every pre-hospital care provider to use resources wisely. You want your peers and those above you to respect your decision, and believe-know you are wise in your decision making.

You need to give this info, or this info, and this info ( BP, GCS, Neuro assessment,lung sounds, mechanism of injury ) all for a decision to launch a Medical Helo. Most ( keyword most ) hospitals will not launch till they have the info, then a decision to launch is made based on criteria. I have seen Medics get on the radio and say launch...I'll get with you on the specifics later. Medical Command says OK ; because they know the Medical Provider on the other end of the radio...and know that they do not run scared. But for others..Well, helicopters do not fly for ingrown nails, or 5 mhp fender benders where everyone is out of the vehicle and walking around.

Remember who you work for, who you represent, and most of all....Who is paying.

Prehospital care providers..................FF-Medic - - -
 
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Interesting comments here. As someone that has been involved in EMS (both jurisdictional (911) and hospital based inter-hospital) as well as Air Medical for over 10 years, I have a few comments to add to this. First, the service provided by Maryland Sate Police is not FREE. Each and every citizen of the State of Maryland pays for the service through not only vehicle registration but also state general funds. Second, the fact that everyone other than MSP bills should not come as a shock since just about every single ambulance in the United States and all but maybe 5 flight programs in the Unites States bill for service. There are only two jurisdictions in the State of Maryland that you will not be billed for 911 ambulance service. Maybe you are in the camp with Hillary and want free healthcare for all (again, you will pay for it one way or the other) but the fact of the matter is that if you use the service you (or your insurance provider) should be billed, not me the tax payer. It is also important to keep in mind that due to the "free" service by MSP, many EMS providers call for aviation to save from having to do the work of transporting patients. In fact the majority of all patients transported by MSP are not medically needed and the patient is discharged within a couple hours of arriving at the hospital. One more final thought for the moment, MSP does not provide the same standard of care that is received from a commercial provider anywhere in the country. MSP offers a single paramedic and a basic scope of practice. A private hospital affiliated provider will provide a CCEMT-P / CCRN/CFRN combo crew that will offer critical care services, a large medication cache, and blood products.

I am not currently working for any air medical provider and as such I am only interested in what is best for those within the State of Maryland. There is indeed a place for MSP and USPP in Maryland's public safety aviation system, having a monopoly on HEMS is not that place.
 

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I would like to address a couple of items raised in a post, above. It seems to me that there has been a well-established track record of industries, deregulated to ostensibly improve service and choice offered the customer, seeing (A) a reduction in said choice, (B) a reduction in efficiency, (C) an increase in cost to the consumer. Think phone and airline industries as well as Enron, whose stint as private energy contractor wound up not being such a great deal for their customers or the rest of the country, as that company's price manipulations drove up the cost of electricity for the rest of us, too.

From some brief Internet hunting one discovers that the MSP stable of Eurocopter Dauphin helicopters are out of the league of anything being fielded by private, for-profit air ambulance services. The Dauphin has a maximum takeoff payload of 9,480 pounds, maximum speed of 190 mph, can be arranged to carry up to 12 passengers, is powered by two 800 hp engines. MedSTAR, which operates a few helicopters in the region, including one that crashed onto the Soldier and Airman's Home golf course in May 2006, injuries from which crash led to the death of the patient they were transporting, according to the DC medical examiner, operate Eurocopter EC135s, with capacity for up to seven passengers, a max. takeoff payload of 5,997 pounds (more than 3,400 pounds less payload than MSP), maximum speed 162 mph, powered by two 583 hp engines (or just under 75% of MSP's engine rating).

James04TJ seems willing to risk being served by these slower, under-powered, more-prone-to-crashing ("with 55 crashes from 2002 to 2005, according to a 2006 congressional report" -WaPo article, post #6) service providers if it will save him the staggering annual sum of $13.50 on his vehicle registration fee. (And maybe the additional $7.50 per moving violation he might incur, although I by no means wish to impugn his driving abilities) Those numbers on tax burden come from this anti-MSP aviation site, so I take them as reliable: http://www.medevacmdsurcharge.com/mvasurcharge.html That's roughly the equivalent of the cost a single appetizer and an entree for one at a Chinese restaurant -- once a year. I might be in the minority here, but I'm willing to shell out the extra $0.0359/day it costs me to have the peace of mind in knowing that, should anyone in even the remotest corner of the state ever need immediate, critical medical attention they can trust an air evacuation system that is, again I quote from the WaPo article, "...a model of safety".

Another puzzlement to me comes from what seems to be a conflation of a patient's condition at time of admission with the amount of time appropriate before said patient is discharged. I would again refer the reader to the above-sited medevac surcharge website, which parrots James04TJ in complaining that too many beneficiaries of air transport are released too soon,

"59.91% of patients discharge from the shock trauma center within 48 hours, ground and air transports.
Source: FY 2006 UMMS submission to the Maryland Health Services Cost Review Commission."

Well, okay. And? The statistic says right there those 59.91% patients were a combination of GROUND and air transports. And to what? To "the shock trauma center". Not to any or to every trauma center throughout Maryland, but to the University of Maryland's Medical System shock trauma center.

Hmmm...So one trauma center, in Baltimore, which the FBI says is America's 2nd-most dangerous urban center among cities with populations greater than 500,000. Think of all the shootings, beatings, and stabbings that crime stat must represent -- crimes the injuries from which hospital and EMS staff would be prudent to assume were possibly life-threatening traumas until the victims were carefully inspected. This one trauma center discharges almost 60% of the total number of patients received by helo or ambulance within two days. Is it possible that instead of this being clear evidence that MSP routinely flies patients even though they're not critically enough injured to really need an air evac, that the above-cited discharge statistic could instead mean that Baltimore City has a boat load of violent crime, the victims of which get hauled by ground medics to Shock Trauma, where a good deal of the time doctors are able to repair the damage well enough to discharge the patient in two days?
 
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Allen, you make some valid points and I enjoyed the link, I have never seen that site before. It is important to remember however that funding for the program comes not just from the tag fee but also from other sources including the general fund. In a time of budget crisis (or so our Gov tells us) we are sending well over $100m to the program for fleet replacement and upgrades. I pay a good chunk of change for my health insurance to pay for the medical services that I use, I don't want to be taxed for them at the same time. It is also important to remember that UMMS-STC bills a "landing fee" that if memory serves me is around $5k. This fee goes back into "the trauma system". The idea of paying a small expense through taxes rather than at time of service or through insurance is akin to the argument for 100% government funded healthcare in this country. No thanks.

As for the airframe used by different services, there is a pretty big mix out there. For example while MSP does use the AS365N3 and MedStar does run mostly EC135s (I think they still have a BK117) you also have Stat/Lifeline with an EC145 and Expresscare with Bell 412's (the same as US Park). I do not consider any of these aircraft to be underpowered and the EC135 is becoming the most popular medical airframe in the world. I think that looking at one specific set of crash numbers for the EC135 is out of perspective. How many more EC135s are in operation than AS365N3's. I am not going to split hairs of the speed difference.

As for the discharges from RAC-STC, I admit that there is more to consider in those stats. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of patients transported by air within the State of Maryland do not justify air transport. I see it happen all the time. In fact for many of the areas that use HEMS transport the most, it is quicker to get to a trauma center by ground than wait for the ship to launch, arrive, package, and transport.

Let me also make clear the statement that I have nothing at all against the folks over at MSP. I have worked side-by-side with them, flown with them, hold a high level of respect for them, and I am proud to call a few friends. My concern is for what is best for the taxpayers of the State of Maryland.
 

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Don't trust politicians....

My only point early was -- don't charge me fees and higher taxes, etc. and then say "sorry, we had to send you a commercial helo because MSP was busy" and then CHARGE ME on top of the fees/taxes I've already paid... that's just not right. And don't give me that "just send the bill to your insurance company" either... eventually, that just means my insurance rates go up (eventually).Also - use one set of rules for all service - public or private. Don't give one an advantage over the other or "waiver" requirements.
 
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