Uinta-Wasatch-Cache National Forest

[theaton]

I just learned that the Uinta and Wasatch-Cache national forests have been joined, at least administratively. This makes for a very large national forest with 11 offices. It's odd they didn't include Ashley National Forest in the reorganization since it adjoins Wasatch Forest and is much smaller.

It never made sense to me that Wasatch National Forest covered the Uintas (western half) while the Uinta National Forest covered the Wasatch Mountains (Utah and Wasatch Counties).

I don't know if this will affect any of the forest repeaters. It probably won't at least in the short run.

Has anyone seen any media coverage of this forest merger?

-Tim

 

[Junior1970]

I read something about it in the paper sometime ago, probably early last summer. I know when I called two weeks ago they answered "Wasatch-Cache-Uinta National Forest" when getting the lowdown on if the Alpine Loop had closed for the season.
Being that the National Forest freqs are used by the Northern Utah Interagency Fire Center (NUIFC) in these parts I doubt well see any changes to the current repeater system (at least until 2013 when narrow banding occurs.)

But what the hell do I know I never thought rebanding would happen!
Cheers.

 

[kf7yn]

I'd be surprised if it did affect the repeaters, I have been hearing Wasatch and Uinta dispatch on each other's repeaters for a couple of years.

 

[KT7L]

There are no repeater changes at this time.... At least from what I understand from the Summit Fire Marshal, and the FS attending the LEPC meetings. Summit SAR has a fairly new portable repeater -- I don't know the Freq., and the Fire Marshal is adding one rpt pair and two simplex, but they are not active yet.

 

[theaton]

There are no repeater changes at this time.... At least from what I understand from the Summit Fire Marshal, and the FS attending the LEPC meetings. Summit SAR has a fairly new portable repeater -- I don't know the Freq., and the Fire Marshal is adding one rpt pair and two simplex, but they are not active yet.

Interesting. Is this part of the effort you mentioned in the thread on Reclaiming Unused VHF/UHF Freqs. for Summit County? I'm interested to see which frequencies they use.

I assume the portable SAR repeater is on the previously unused Summit County SAR frequencies but I could always be wrong.

-Tim

 

[KT7L]

Interesting. Is this part of the effort you mentioned in the thread on Reclaiming Unused VHF/UHF Freqs. for Summit County? I'm interested to see which frequencies they use.

I assume the portable SAR repeater is on the previously unused Summit County SAR frequencies but I could always be wrong.

-Tim

Tim: Yes on the first, and not sure on the second....

Though, I do have a complete SAR frequency list -- I'll have to look it up, and get back to you.

I will also look up the three new Fire frequencies for you....

-- Bob

 

[kd7rto]

In case anyone was not aware that these runcards are available on the net:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/nuifc/mngmnt/

Does anyone have any idea what the air-to-air frequency they choose not to publish, called "victor" is?

 

[theaton]

Does anyone have any idea what the air-to-air frequency they choose not to publish, called "victor" is?

Here's what I have in my database from a variety of government documents. It's probably the first one on the list. These are all AM simplex frequencies in the Air Band. -Tim

127.475 Utah Fire Air-to-Air Primary
132.435 Utah Fire Air-to-Air Secondary
124.575 Utah Fire Air-to-Air Richfield
126.825 Utah Fire Air-to-Air Cedar City
124.535 Utah Fire Air-to-Air Vernal
124.075 Utah Fire Air-to-Air Moab

 

[qlajlu]

I dunno, Tim. "Victor" would suggest the "V"ernal frequency. Just a thought.

 

[theaton]

Victor frequencies

I dunno, Tim. "Victor" would suggest the "V"ernal frequency. Just a thought.

No, Victor is a general term for certain Air-to-Air frequencies. I did a web search and found the following examples of how the term is used in federal documents:

3) Air to Air Frequencies
The following frequencies are shared interagency initial and extended attack air to air (“victor”) frequencies and will be assigned by NUIFC as per the NUIFC and EGBCC Mobilization Guides. All Salt Lake BLM, Wasatch Cache FS, Uinta FS, and State FF&SL radios will contain these common frequencies and identifiers. The Primary and Secondary frequencies are permanently assigned to NUIFC. The third and fourth frequencies may be requested through EGBCC during Planning Levels 3-5.
Frequency Agency Receive Transmit Mode
Primary NUIFC 127.4750 127.4750 Narrow
Secondary NUIFC 132.4250 132.4250 Narrow
EGBCC 1 EGBCC 134.6750 134.6750 Narrow
EGBCC 2 EGBCC 122.9250 122.9250 Narrow
http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/ut/salt_lake_fo/fire/fire_management_documents.Par.1509.File.dat/Appendix_I_FMP_AOP2007.pdf

Project aircraft will need to announce ingress, egress, destination, and intention to Clover Control on AM Victor frequency 134.1 within MOA’s.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/fishlake/fire/fmp/apdxc_2007_CUIFMA_Aviation_Plan.pdf

 

[kf7yn]

It's not that they choose not to publish the Victor frequencies, they assign them from a pool of available VHF freqs at the scene based on location. This is an issue of frequency coordination to avoid interference to other aircraft operating in nearby or adjacent sectors. This is according to pilots I talked to at the Interagency Fire Cache in West Yellowstone Montana.

Also, the term Victor is interesting in the context of pilot speak. Since the VHF airband band uses AM mode, everything else not airband is 'FM' to pilots, whether it be VHF or UHF. So Victor is simply a phonetic reference to the VHF airband, everything else is FM!

In case anyone was not aware that these runcards are available on the net:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/nuifc/mngmnt/

Does anyone have any idea what the air-to-air frequency they choose not to publish, called "victor" is?