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Uniden bearcat 980 insane swr.

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I'm new to the CB world in that I have very limited knowledge of the numbers side. Anyway,
I have a 2022 Freightliner cascadia with the driver side mirror mount. The built in antenna is garbage.
I am using the heavy duty stud mount,a wilson 5000 antenna, with a 18ft coax into the uniden 980 ssb. When I set the calibration to the line on both 1 and 40, it says my swr is, 9.00! Insane!
I'm not sure what is going on. I can receive people, and the very brief TX radio check I was told 'sounds good'.

Yes I made sure the plastic washer is between the top half stud and top of mount.

Help please!
I also have a in-line astatic pdc1 that I'm not sure how to use. I also have to turn up the squelch to about 75% on full range RX and I can turn it almost all the way down on local RX power. It's an improvement over built in antenna but when I first hooked up new antenna I could have full range RX with squelch almost all way down.
 
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I would recommend getting help from someone with an antenna analyzer which can check where your antenna is resonant or if its crap everywhere, something the SWR meter in your radio can't do. You need a starting point to go any direction and an antenna analyzer will point the way.

In the mean time if you have an ohmmeter you can test the coax and mount for shorts or opens where the mount and coax should show an open across the PL259 with the antenna off and you would need to measure across the antenna base to see if its a grounded antenna. If so the PL259 should show a short with the antenna on and that would complete a basic open/short test.


I'm new to the CB world in that I have very limited knowledge of the numbers side. Anyway,
I have a 2022 Freightliner cascadia with the driver side mirror mount. The built in antenna is garbage.
I am using the heavy duty stud mount,a wilson 5000 antenna, with a 18ft coax into the uniden 980 ssb. When I set the calibration to the line on both 1 and 40, it says my swr is, 9.00! Insane!
I'm not sure what is going on. I can receive people, and the very brief TX radio check I was told 'sounds good'.

Yes I made sure the plastic washer is between the top half stud and top of mount.

Help please!
I also have a in-line astatic pdc1 that I'm not sure how to use. I also have to turn up the squelch to about 75% on full range RX and I can turn it almost all the way down on local RX power. It's an improvement over built in antenna but when I first hooked up new antenna I could have full range RX with squelch almost all way down.
 

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Here’s an Evo I was running 5-years ago when they first came out. Talked all over depending on what radio I was using. (6’ Firestiks shown, changed to 7’ Skip-shooters which is what it can use best )

You are correct the molded-in-place HIRSCHMANN Thin Film Antenna is pretty much worthless.

The question then becomes about the antenna mount, antenna, and the coax.

First I’ll outline a decent system. Then near bottom where to start where you are now:

1). The type shown (a version for the earlier models available) is what you want. Won’t rotate like the clamp bar type (which also don’t ground well)

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2). You’ll need to run some 3/4”W woven copper braid to structural steel at the A-pillar at the hood closure line. From a bolt where the paint behind it is cleared off.

3). How is the coax being run? The best solution is one of two ways:

A) Thru an unused air line hole into the engine compartment (I use a cable gland to seal both ends); or,

B) Behind the A-pillar kick panel and out thru the grommet that carries the door wiring. Then eased thru hood vent.

— There cannot be a pinch point affecting the coax. Not even once.

WILSON makes an RG8 (Mini-8) cophase harness with FME ends that makes threading the coax very easy. Screw-on ends. It’ll work well with a dash-mount radio which avoids removing the A-pillars to get overhead access (I spent hours and several hundred dollars with one of the most experienced installers to run to the overhead and it just wasn’t worth the difficulties).

POWER: You can run the DC-positive and Negative to the Fuse Panel leads, it’s just as quiet as going to the batteries. Fuse the Positive, not the negative. Use 12-AWG tinned copper marine grade wire.

Cables: Install split-loom convolute cover over every foot of coax and power in appropriate size. Bundle excess coax in figure-8 skein over a foot long. Zip tie.

Radio: A good radio choice. The AM/SSB Uniden is the number one basic radio. Using factory mounting bracket, install “industrial” Velcro underneath that and to back edge of radio to glue both to dash-top. (Lowes or HD, not the truckstop stuff). Tilted and angled towards driver. (If you can use a flat buckled strap, so much the better; see FL options)

Mic: With an Astatic 636, use a GEARKEEPER mic hanger and attach D-ring above it (screw it, don’t sweat this part) so that it’s easy for you to grasp while driving, yet retracts out of the way and won’t bang on anything.

Speaker: A Uniden BC-20 is the easiest to acquire low-cost option in performance. Install it above driver in the bin above door by zip-tying to the shock cords and with Velcro. Extend the audio line as needed to come down A-pillar (stuff into gap), and route to radio (more split loom).

Antenna: You have the wrong “type”. You want a top load antenna 6-7’ tall. (Skipshooter brand, IMO). The antenna you are using is quality, but not in that location. Keep it for your personal vehicle. The 7’ will get above a van, but not cause clearance problems (be careful anyway).

The terrible SWR is the wrong antenna, mount, damaged coax, and lack of good connection to the truck chassis (todays trucks have a lot of glue, metal contact not always enough). Needs an RF Bond.

The U-980 has a decent SWR meter. But a truckstop external meter is your backup. Will need a short coax jumper to go with it. Directions for use on packaging and widely over Internet.

What is SWR (Standing Wave Ratio)

Before the above, test:

Change antenna to any 5’ Fiberglas top load. Keep directions to adjust tip for SWR (don’t transmit (speak). Any reading below 2.0:1 is okay, and 1.5:1 is great. (Keep this as a backup after getting the 7’).

— Check that the coax terminations aren’t loose, and that both ends are threaded correctly. Finger snug tight, BUT as far as they’ll go on.

— Try another piece of coax from radio to antenna if that’s not helping. (Doors shut while testing, run thru window opened). Just trying to see if original coax was damaged (ohm meter test first before buying more is best as in post above mine).

Expect that coax was damaged, first, and that antenna mount isn’t grounding the coax shield adequately, second.

Do the rest of the above as you go along. See my other posts for upgrades.

A Cascadia is much the easiest of the fleet tractors to make work well. You’ll be glad you did. The more you do (as above) the better it will get.

Antennas, Mounts, and Coax are the priority.

Mobile Radio Pro

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Here’s an Evo I was running 5-years ago when they first came out. Talked all over depending on what radio I was using. (6’ Firestiks shown, changed to 7’ Skip-shooters which is what it can use best )

You are correct the molded-in-place HIRSCHMANN Thin Film Antenna is pretty much worthless.

The question then becomes about the antenna mount, antenna, and the coax.

First I’ll outline a decent system. Then near bottom where to start where you are now:

1). The type shown (a version for the earlier models available) is what you want. Won’t rotate like the clamp bar type (which also don’t ground well)

View attachment 130420

2). You’ll need to run some 3/4”W woven copper braid to structural steel at the A-pillar at the hood closure line. From a bolt where the paint behind it is cleared off.

3). How is the coax being run? The best solution is one of two ways:

A) Thru an unused air line hole into the engine compartment (I use a cable gland to seal both ends); or,

B) Behind the A-pillar kick panel and out thru the grommet that carries the door wiring. Then eased thru hood vent.

— There cannot be a pinch point affecting the coax. Not even once.

WILSON makes an RG8 (Mini-8) cophase harness with FME ends that makes threading the coax very easy. Screw-on ends. It’ll work well with a dash-mount radio which avoids removing the A-pillars to get overhead access (I spent hours and several hundred dollars with one of the most experienced installers to run to the overhead and it just wasn’t worth the difficulties).

POWER: You can run the DC-positive and Negative to the Fuse Panel leads, it’s just as quiet as going to the batteries. Fuse the Positive, not the negative. Use 12-AWG tinned copper marine grade wire.

Cables: Install split-loom convolute cover over every foot of coax and power in appropriate size. Bundle excess coax in figure-8 skein over a foot long. Zip tie.

Radio: A good radio choice. The AM/SSB Uniden is the number one basic radio. Using factory mounting bracket, install “industrial” Velcro underneath that and to back edge of radio to glue both to dash-top. (Lowes or HD, not the truckstop stuff). Tilted and angled towards driver. (If you can use a flat buckled strap, so much the better; see FL options)

Mic: With an Astatic 636, use a GEARKEEPER mic hanger and attach D-ring above it (screw it, don’t sweat this part) so that it’s easy for you to grasp while driving, yet retracts out of the way and won’t bang on anything.

Speaker: A Uniden BC-20 is the easiest to acquire low-cost option in performance. Install it above driver in the bin above door by zip-tying to the shock cords and with Velcro. Extend the audio line as needed to come down A-pillar (stuff into gap), and route to radio (more split loom).

Antenna: You have the wrong “type”. You want a top load antenna 6-7’ tall. (Skipshooter brand, IMO). The antenna you are using is quality, but not in that location. Keep it for your personal vehicle. The 7’ will get above a van, but not cause clearance problems (be careful anyway).

The terrible SWR is the wrong antenna, mount, damaged coax, and lack of good connection to the truck chassis (todays trucks have a lot of glue, metal contact not always enough). Needs an RF Bond.

The U-980 has a decent SWR meter. But a truckstop external meter is your backup. Will need a short coax jumper to go with it. Directions for use on packaging and widely over Internet.

What is SWR (Standing Wave Ratio)

Before the above, test:

Change antenna to any 5’ Fiberglas top load. Keep directions to adjust tip for SWR (don’t transmit (speak). Any reading below 2.0:1 is okay, and 1.5:1 is great. (Keep this as a backup after getting the 7’).

— Check that the coax terminations aren’t loose, and that both ends are threaded correctly. Finger snug tight, BUT as far as they’ll go on.

— Try another piece of coax from radio to antenna if that’s not helping. (Doors shut while testing, run thru window opened). Just trying to see if original coax was damaged (ohm meter test first before buying more is best as in post above mine).

Expect that coax was damaged, first, and that antenna mount isn’t grounding the coax shield adequately, second.

Do the rest of the above as you go along. See my other posts for upgrades.

A Cascadia is much the easiest of the fleet tractors to make work well. You’ll be glad you did. The more you do (as above) the better it will get.

Antennas, Mounts, and Coax are the priority.

Mobile Radio Pro

.
Okay. So ran brand new coax through firewall where air lines poke through instead of through door jam.
Have a 5/8 wave 4ft firestick 2.
(Was what was best available besides k40 and wilson and among other fiberglass antennas)
All reconnected, same results. Set calibration to line and get 9.00 on Chan 1 and 7.00 on Chan 40.
Even ran bit of copper wire to chassis ground from bottom of stud made no difference. It's making no sense to me why the swr is this insane.

I don't have access currently to that other style mirror mount.20221103_185249.jpg20221103_185419.jpg
 

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Have you performed the continuity tests described above? What were the results? An SWR that high usually indicates a short between the radio and the antenna mount.
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I don't have access to a multimeter currently. Forgive my ignorance, but I don't see how a short is being formed with a brand new coax and the stud/mount properly installed according to directions.
I will keep and eye out and see if I can get a meter at a truck stop. Any other troubleshooting ideas in meantime?
 

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With no test equipment you could unscrew the antenna and place the center pin of the PL259 on the radio end to the + terminal of the battery and see if it sparks, which it should not. Then place the ground ring of the PL259 at the radio end to the + side of the battery and it should smoke the coax. If it does, at least your antenna mount and coax used to be in good shape.

BTW, the antenna mount in the pictures looks like a Wilson, which is one of the biggest POS mounts I've encountered. The PL259 side doesn't use a regular connector and the center pin of your coax connector simply jams up into a Allen head cap screw with nothing to grip the center pin. It may not be the current problem but I would swap that out with another SO239 to 3/8 adapter. One of the best I've seen lately is the Sirio version here. SIRIO Heavy Duty 3/8-24 female / UHF-female (SO-239) Adaptor | eBay

I don't have access to a multimeter currently. Forgive my ignorance, but I don't see how a short is being formed with a brand new coax and the stud/mount properly installed according to directions.
I will keep and eye out and see if I can get a meter at a truck stop. Any other troubleshooting ideas in meantime?
 
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Wish I could help, but sadly can't. I don't know anything about hooking an antenna to a tractor, only a 4 wheeler and a motorhome. Your problem is very interesting. I'm 64 and have had a cb in my cars since I was 18, back in the mid 70's. I have never even heard of an swr reading that high. I also have a 980ssb with a 1/4 wave mid load magnetic mount. Out of the box, my swr on the radio and external meter are less than 1. I know whether I have had a bottom load or a mid load, adjusting the swr is as easy as adjusting the element up or down. I wish you luck and listen to the drivers that know how to make it work.
 

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With no test equipment you could unscrew the antenna and place the center pin of the PL259 on the radio end to the + terminal of the battery and see if it sparks, which it should not. Then place the ground ring of the PL259 at the radio end to the + side of the battery and it should smoke the coax. If it does, at least your antenna mount and coax used to be in good shape.

BTW, the antenna mount in the pictures looks like a Wilson, which is one of the biggest POS mounts I've encountered. The PL259 side doesn't use a regular connector and the center pin of your coax connector simply jams up into a Allen head cap screw with nothing to grip the center pin. It may not be the current problem but I would swap that out with another SO239 to 3/8 adapter. One of the best I've seen lately is the Sirio version here. SIRIO Heavy Duty 3/8-24 female / UHF-female (SO-239) Adaptor | eBay
Yes the stud is the wilson and even I thought that it didn't seem like it would make good contact with the center pin of the hex screw. Even the gumdrop one the clamp bracket came with, the center pin actually sheathed into the center rather than just tip touching inside the base. I'll try one of those other holders in morning.
 

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Wish I could help, but sadly can't. I don't know anything about hooking an antenna to a tractor, only a 4 wheeler and a motorhome. Your problem is very interesting. I'm 64 and have had a cb in my cars since I was 18, back in the mid 70's. I have never even heard of an swr reading that high. I also have a 980ssb with a 1/4 wave mid load magnetic mount. Out of the box, my swr on the radio and external meter are less than 1. I know whether I have had a bottom load or a mid load, adjusting the swr is as easy as adjusting the element up or down. I wish you luck and listen to the drivers that know how to make it work.
I've played with CB when my dad had them on his truck. Even the cheapy glass antenna wouldn't have swr this high. It's really eating at me because I've never seen anything like it. Even the junk built in antenna has swr below 3.0! But it picks up ALL interference.
 

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Find another radio to hook up to your antenna, see if the problem remains. I have probably owned over a hundred CB radios, & I have had a few that had bad/defective wiring or connections inside the radio - even brand new.

And absolutely get yourself a meter & check the antenna & coax for resistance & continuity.
 

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With no test equipment you could unscrew the antenna and place the center pin of the PL259 on the radio end to the + terminal of the battery and see if it sparks, which it should not. Then place the ground ring of the PL259 at the radio end to the + side of the battery and it should smoke the coax. If it does, at least your antenna mount and coax used to be in good shape.

BTW, the antenna mount in the pictures looks like a Wilson, which is one of the biggest POS mounts I've encountered. The PL259 side doesn't use a regular connector and the center pin of your coax connector simply jams up into a Allen head cap screw with nothing to grip the center pin. It may not be the current problem but I would swap that out with another SO239 to 3/8 adapter. One of the best I've seen lately is the Sirio version here. SIRIO Heavy Duty 3/8-24 female / UHF-female (SO-239) Adaptor | eBay

An excellent stud. That’s worth buying a handful.
 

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Update:
New mount. It's same as the one mentioned just with a wider base for little more strength. Center pin sheaths into it instead of just tip making contact like wilson stud. Added quick-n-simple temporary extra ground with copper wire for now also.

Swr on Chan 1 & 40 after tuning antenna is 3.4 on both. Not great but a drastic improvement over 9.0! Heading in right direction. Firestick 2 is onlyba 4ft antenna, may that be why swr is still little high as well? Was mentioned to get a 7'.20221104_070518.jpg20221104_070537.jpg
 

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You identified the main problem, now to tune the antenna or improve the ground plane and get the match better. The new mount is still trouble, those unscrew themselves and if you tighten them too much they will destroy an internal insulator. Get the Sirio mount on order. The Sirio needs a larger mounting hole so have some drill bits larger than 1/2" available.
 

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Great!!

See Skipshooter retailer Locator.

Several good CB shops in USA depending where you are.

So, where are you? Where headed?

Among the truckstop chains T/A & Petro tend to have a larger stock of CB items. I haven’t seen taller than 5’ on top load antennas, though. But, may have the correct mounts for your. model year Cascadia.

6’ is “good”. 7’ kicks tail.

Ordering the 7’ Skipshooter is easiest. Not expensive so get two or four (I always run cophase) as you want spares. Natural or Clear cover color (doesn’t stick out so much).
 
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You identified the main problem, now to tune the antenna or improve the ground plane and get the match better. The new mount is still trouble, those unscrew themselves and if you tighten them too much they will destroy an internal insulator. Get the Sirio mount on order. The Sirio needs a larger mounting hole so have some drill bits larger than 1/2" available.

Ive used a Dremel to open up some. Not pretty, but it’s what I had with me OTR.

Can get a cheap DVM at Wally.

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A couple drops medium strength blue Loctite on mount bolts.

7’ SS has a lot of flex. Can tip forward pretty far. 6’ more rigid.

7’gets above trailer just slightly. A few clicks under 14’. Stay out of right lane tree branches. (Nationwide supposed to be 15’ clearance for emergency vehicles, etc).

Got 90k from my first set (lost one, finally). Texas Panhandle 40-mph head & crosswinds are rough (when you can actually travel, ha!)

Truckpride or Fleetpro

Measure length needed. Can buy most pre-made. I buy 3/4’ W and make my own.
 
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The Predator Antenna Stud was the one I’d recommend as it’s what I use for when I’m in an FL or T680 but it’s discontinued. Might find on eBay someday. All-aluminum and quite tall. So I’d order the SIRIO stud

The weakness of most of these studs is the insulator. Needs to be of DELRIN or something better than the quick-deteriorating “rubber” usually included.

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Layer of SCOTCH 33 or 88 adhesive side out, then a layer over of the pictured. Then another layer of 33 as usual over that on coax cable to antenna mount junction.

Rescue tape at any chain truckstop. Has other uses.

Above method means you can slice it off cleanly, no tape residue.


Wally or HD for zip ties. Want to secure cable or wire or other against movement chafing.

Split-Loom convolute for coax and power, etc. Just good practice to give protection. 1/8” and 1/4”. (Cheapest from Amazon. Can’t have enough, like zip ties).

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