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American Tower

Would you look at this!

The tower in question is listed on the American Tower website!

What is up with that?

Here we have the highly trained observations of a guy who did ride alongs with a sheriffs department, versus facts from the FAA, FCC, and the marketing efforts of one of the largest tower companies in the world.

And AT&T's site for leasing tower spaces does NOT show the tower - which if they did own it they would certainly list it.

Obviously it is a conspiracy.
 

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Ok then explain to us if AT&T doesn't own the tower ...Then explain why nextel which is a cell carrier and they own a few towers over in bartlesville ? .
 

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Ok then explain to us if AT&T doesn't own the tower ...Then explain why nextel which is a cell carrier and they own a few towers over in bartlesville ? .

Chuckle. First off, Nextel is not a Cellular Carrier. I encourage you to argue that with me. You will quickly find yourself wrong again.

Secondly, Carriers own towers. Carriers don't own towers. It is all a matter of specific locations and situations.

Take for instance US Cellular. They ARE a Cellular provider BTW, along with a PCS provider. USCC prefers to build their own towers, but they will co-locate (that means lease space) in some instances. 9 times out of 10, they will build their own, even in site of another tower that has leasing available.

AT&T however will lease in a heartbeat. They will also do a build to suit, which is what happened here, they told ATC where they wanted the tower, and ATC handled it. They will also lease space on existing towers. Sometimes, they have a company build a tower, in their name, then AT&T purchases the tower from them. Not something ATC does however.

OK DPS leases space on towers, and they have their own towers also.

As I explained to you earlier, Osage County 911 obviously leases space on towers also.
 

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I did all the work and look what i found ....It's interesting to see this on the FCC site



NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS OF THE MID ATLANTIC INC DBA NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS
 

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I did all the work and look what i found ....It's interesting to see this on the FCC site



NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS OF THE MID ATLANTIC INC DBA NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS


And your point is? I mean, I am not trying to be dense here, but what are you saying?

We have found you wrong on the following points so far, what are you disputing?

1. Owner of the tower you ID'ed as belonging to 911. You were wrong.

2. Owner of the tower under construction in barnsdall. You were wrong.

3. Nextel is a cellular company... Is this it? BTW, you are wrong. Because you found that on the FCC
web page you think Nextel is a cellular company? You will find my company in many locations on the
FCC web pages, but that does not make me a cellular provider. I will give you a little hint - as this does not
really relate to the unknown tower topic of this thread. Look up legal defination of a Cellular provider, and a
legal definition of an ESMR, or Enhanced Specialized Mobile Relay system.

Then compare Nextel to the ESMR. Pay special attention to frequencies allowed.

So what are you argueing about in relation to TOWERS?




I did all the work and found this on the FCC web page...

What are you trying to say?
 

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Why did you even attempt to make me look like a fool ? When you were wrong about Nextel being a Cell provider when in fact i was right when i pulled there fcc record's .

This issue is over and done with
 

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Why did you even attempt to make me look like a fool ? When you were wrong about Nextel being a Cell provider when in fact i was right when i pulled there fcc record's .

This issue is over and done with

I am certainly not attempting to make you look like a fool. Why should I? You are proving yourself very capable of doing that yourself.

I am proud of you - you gave up thinking that you had any clue about the towers. You were proven wrong on each and every point there.

Yet, you will not look up what I suggested about Nextel and Cellular. You find that Nextel has their name on the FCC web page, and post their name - but no context.

I would refer you to the following from CFR 47

§ 22.905 Channels for cellular service.

The following frequency bands are allocated for assignment to service providers in the Cellular Radiotelephone Service.

(a) Channel Block A: 869–880 MHz paired with 824–835 MHz, and 890–891.5 MHz paired with 845–846.5 MHz.

(b) Channel Block B: 880–890 MHz paired with 835–845 MHz, and 891.5–894 MHz paired with 846.5–849 MHz.

Now, this is the legal description from the FCC of where Cellular can operate. Its the law. Simple.

Now, this is the legal description of the ESMR, which is what Nextel is - again, from the CFR 47 part 90. Its the law, simple.

Title 47: Telecommunication
PART 90—PRIVATE LAND MOBILE RADIO SERVICES
Subpart S—Regulations Governing Licensing and Use of Frequencies in the 806–824, 851–869, 896–901, and 935–940 MHz Bands
Application for Authorizations

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§ 90.603 Eligibility.

The following persons are eligible for licensing in the 806–824 MHz, 851–869 MHz, 896–901 MHz, and 935–940 MHz Bands.

(a) Any person eligible for licensing under subparts B, C, D, or E of this part.

(b) Any person proposing to provide communications service to any person eligible for licensing under subparts B or C of this part on a not-for-profit, cost-shared basis.

(c) Any person eligible under this part and proposing to provide on a commercial basis base station an ancillary facilities as a Specialized Mobile Radio Service System operator, for the use of individuals, federal government agencies and persons eligible for licensing under subparts B or C of this part.

1 caveat, there has been a few changes since rebanding, but the basis is still there. Nextel is an ESMR. You have proof. You are wrong. If you feel that makes you a fool, that is up to you.

Others would simply learn, and go on.
 

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Why did you even attempt to make me look like a fool ? When you were wrong about Nextel being a Cell provider when in fact i was right when i pulled there fcc record's .

This issue is over and done with

Here is a better explanation for you. Taken from a current thread here in Radio Reference.

http://forums.radioreference.com/ne...um/164764-fire-chief-nextels.html#post1201063

And of course, from the Radio Reference WIKI,

IDEN - The RadioReference Wiki

And again from the Radio Reference WIKI

Rebanding - The RadioReference Wiki

"So, where does Nextel come into this?
Nextel, contrary to popular belief, is not a cellular telephone company. They operate an "Extended (or Enhanced) Specialized Mobile Radio" service (ESMR). It does look like a cell phone, and it operates like a cell phone...but it really isn't. It is a business radio with telephone interconnect, and operates in the business/industrial part of the 800 MHz spectrum (851-866 MHz). As the largest licensee of ESMR channels, they are also responsible for the largest number of interference complaints to public safety."


Now, anyone want to bet a dollar that he never comes on and admits he was wrong? About this, or the
tower question? I say no way.
 

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I couldn't find one thing incorrect with what iamhere300 has posted. All of his information has checked out.

I can't say that for KOK5CY's information. Unfortunately for you KOK5CY, iamhere300 is indeed correct in his statements. I don't think it's anything personal. We're all here to learn.
 

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KOK5CY - you asked questions, you were given answers, and you insisted all the answers were wrong. If you know all the answers, why ask in the first place?

You should understand, there are a whole level of people who only lurk on here. Hardcore professionals in the communications world. There are some who post. People like senior people at APCO. State Government. Federal Government. Major companies. Small companies. Dispatch centers. People who really do "know their stuff". Why? Some like to see what people are saying about their systems, but many are just hardcore communications people, who have a love for the job, and the hobbies related to it. Why else would they even do their job if not for the love of it? Believe me, its not for the pay.

In addition to the lurkers, there are a few that come on here and try to help. Sometimes its abrasive, sometimes they tolerate idiots well. I am the former. There was gentleman called Steve Wilson who ran a 911 center in Ohio that was one of the most helpful people on these forums. (RIP Steve Wilson, Gallia County 911)

I deal with towers 7 days a week. We own about 100 of them, and are constantly buying/selling them. Got about a dozen more from AT&T we are buying, some being sold to a guy in TX, and always looking for opporutunities. We lease to people like Cellular carriers, utilties, radio stations, paging companies (as long as they are still around) Repeater operators, state, local, and federal government, and more. I live and breath this industry.

We have a number of underground facilities, including one there in the Tulsa area. Lots of build to suit land.

I have a two way shop - my son runs it now, as I spend more time with the towers and bunkers. Icom, Motorola, and service just about anything. Whacker gear also - lights and sirens. The guys in the shop just got through installing 9 LED light bars friday night at 10.

Licensing. The FCC is my mandate. Over the years I have gotten to be pretty good with the FCC. Like anyone else, I don't know it all - but a pet peeve for many years of mine has been people calling Nextel a Cellular operator. It just ain't the case, and the FCC will tell you that.

My point through all this - if you ask a question, and are given answers, don't argue the point until you know what in the heck you are talking about. Chances are strong the people who gave you the answers DO know what they are talking about, and if you asked in the first place, then you admit you don't know. This is a great place to learn - but you have to be open to learning. I have learned a LOT here on the forums.
 
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.. and whatever you do, do not ask which county the city limits of Sperry, OK is in


FYI : West side of Hwy 11 which sperry is in ...Is in Osage Co ....Anyone want to argue with a man that was the main cop there back in the late 70's and has patroled that end of the county for 30+yr's .
 

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Originally Posted by crayon
.. and whatever you do, do not ask which county the city limits of Sperry, OK is in


FYI : West side of Hwy 11 which sperry is in ...Is in Osage Co ....Anyone want to argue with a man that was the main cop there back in the late 70's and has patroled that end of the county for 30+yr's .


We have traveled down the wrong road on this part. It should have NOT been brought up, it is obvious that you know much better due to your experience.

You may want to share that with the federal government so they can fix their web page on tiger.gov, the state government so they can fix their information, and of course the numerous pages like city-data.com so they can fix it there also. City-Data.com has a link on the bottom of every page for fixing their mistakes. You know, the clerk at Tulsa County even has the wrong information and claims it for Tulsa county?

You won't hear it from me again.
 

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1st of all this site need's updated every 24 hr's ....unlike me i don't sit at a computer all day i have a life beyond a screen .

If this site has so much info how come half of the freq's aren't listed huh ? .


For everyone elses info ...I ran into a deputy that work's the sperry area and he told me the city is in Osage Co . Take a look at the county map and blow it up 3-4 times and take a look . You'll be surprised what you might see ....

I'm tired of playing games here ....it's boring yawnssssssssss
 

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Wow! we must have a new Polar Bear 25 amongst us. Talk about falling on one's sword. KOK5CY first of all Sperry is in Tulsa county. The west end of HWY 11 clearly is in Tulsa County and the dividing line between Tulsa and Osage is called Osage Drive for which the town is clearly East of just take a look..

Sperry Oklahoma - Google Maps

We also have an individual on here who worked for Sperry PD less than a year ago who would tell you that Sperry is indeed in Tulsa County. So I'm afraid you are wrong for which you can't admit.

Second, are you really going to tell 300 that he is wrong even though that is clearly what he does for a living and is obviously an expert about? Wow...that is not ego but just plain stupid.
Why can't you admit you are wrong? Like SS and 300 have said and I will say we are all here to learn.
If you are wrong it's okay we are all human. Learn and move on, don't continue to bury yourself with stupidity and fall deeper on to your sword. That is truly foolish.
 

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Ok here is what i've asked my father WHICH he was a Chief of police in the same town ....Part's of sperry is in Osage Co . North part is in Osage and South part in tulsa ...Now who want's to tell a county deputy he's wrong any takers ? .
 
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