USFS LEOs in SoCal

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A couple questions about Forest Service law enforcement officers in southern California:

In the San Bernardino NF, officers identify as "12-Edward-#" units. I assume the # is the ranger district number. What does the "12" refer to? Do other forests use different numbers?

Besides "Edward" I've heard "Tom" and "Charlie." Does anyone know the designators and what they stand for?

As a side note, I was recently listening to a unit on San Bernardino Forest Net requesting San Bernardino to notify CHP and SO about a reckless driver he had "tried to stop." It got me wondering--is there a policy that forbids Forest Service LEOs from participating in vehicle pursuits? Has anyone heard a Forest Service pursuit?
 

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Not sure what the current policy is, but back in the 80's, a LEO was a LEO. Didn't matter the agency or where you were from/ or at. Pursuits, arrests, everything fell within the scope of the classification and training. It wasn't uncommon for a CalFire (then CDF) Battalion Chief to backup a sheriff or CHP on an
11-11 or assist on a traffic stop when the need was there.

I believe the current statuates dictate that if a LEO (irreguardless of the fire agency) initiates a pursuit or attempts to make a stop on a suspect vehicle, the local law enforcement agency is to take over the situation as soon as possible. The fire dept. isn't washing their hands of the situation, rather, turning it over to an agency better equipped to deal with whatever scenario is playing out.
 

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A couple questions about Forest Service law enforcement officers in southern California:

In the San Bernardino NF, officers identify as "12-Edward-#" units. I assume the # is the ranger district number. What does the "12" refer to? Do other forests use different numbers?

Besides "Edward" I've heard "Tom" and "Charlie." Does anyone know the designators and what they stand for?

As a side note, I was recently listening to a unit on San Bernardino Forest Net requesting San Bernardino to notify CHP and SO about a reckless driver he had "tried to stop." It got me wondering--is there a policy that forbids Forest Service LEOs from participating in vehicle pursuits? Has anyone heard a Forest Service pursuit?

The LEO officer has to follow local policies set by the USFS. He or she also has personal discretion about whether they want to pursue a vehicle or file a report on the incident. For the federal government usually a life has to be in danger, such as a kidnapped person in the car, to allow a pursuit. It is a lot easier to get the driver later then do a high speed pursuit, alone and in the middle of a forest.
 

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It is very difficult to pursue people while in a 4x4 jeep or suv or truck. I have been outrun by cars, dirtbikes, quads, and street bikes. It happens to everyone who drives something other than a CVPI or patrols in a helicopter.

x-Edward-x indicates a Law Enforcement unit. You will also hear x-Lincoln-x in addition to the Charlie and Tom units.

I am not sure where LT came up with his last line, but it is entirely dependent on agency and local policy. USFS and CDF are land management agencies with some law enforcement officers. A CDF Peace Officer has some odd rules to play by, and a ton of leeway in other areas. The people they arrest are hauled off by the CHP, but they do a lot of undercover work. They chase people and stop a ton of speeders, but they only get a mini-14 as a patrol rifle and can not modify it in any way that would make it an (scare tactic term) "assault rifle".

USFS has some odd policies, and Smokey would be the best go to guy to hear about them, but they have a tremendous amount of leeway and freedom in the course of their travels.
 

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The #12 designator is because San Bernardino is twelfth alphabetically in the list of forests in CA.
Angeles NF would be #1 etc.
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The last number is not a a district number on the San Bernardino, it is an individual officer number. The Angeles is the same situation. Up here on the Inyo National Forest where there is only one LEO per district the last number is the ranger district number.

The list of National Forests in Region 5 (Pacific Southwest) is more or less alphabetical. The Modoc is Forest #9 and the Plumas is Forest #11. The Six Rivers is #10. The Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit is #19. There isn't an assignment for #18.

I have heard a couple of Forest Service LEO's in pursuit. I need to do some digging around to find the actual policy.

Forest Service LEOs have their POST certificates. They are designated as state peace officers. The can cite and arrest people for state law violations. The carry shotguns and assault rifles.

A "C" unit is a special agent. An "L" unit is a patrol captain. I can't tell you what a "T" unit is, I've been wondering that myself. A "K" unit is a canine.

This unit designation for LEOs is a Region 5 standard. Other regions do not have a region wide standard. The numbering system outside of Region 5 is fairly confusing.
 

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I'm not sure where your information comes from, but USFS Uniformed Officers (LEO's) are not state peace officers. They are federal officers and attend the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Georgia. I asked my dad (CHP) and he told me that the LEO's routinely do not conduct traffic stops. Depending on the area there may only be one way in or out and CHP gets called and they wait for the violator. In some cases he says that LEO's will do a stop and then CHP will roll in for a field sobriety test or whatever and the LEO is listed as a federal officer / witness. California Penal Code section 830.8 expressly states that federal LEO's are not state peace officers. Section 836 specifically authorizes a peace officer to make an arrest when a felony is observed or indicated. It does not say a "state peace officer". The exception is that USDA LEO's *may* be required to attend an 8 hour PC 832 course that certifies them as a state peace officer if the sheriff of the county requires it for the purposes of comingled jurisdiction. This is no different than LASD deputies arresting someone for possessing a fire arm in a national forest. They go back and forth

As far as pursuits in 4x4's, umm... LEO's here in the Angeles NF drive Ford Expeditions and they handle just fine. CHP uses them too.

830.8. (a) Federal criminal investigators and law enforcement
officers are not California peace officers, but may exercise the
powers of arrest of a peace officer in any of the following
circumstances:
(1) Any circumstances specified in Section 836 or Section 5150 of
the Welfare and Institutions Code for violations of state or local
laws.
(2) When these investigators and law enforcement officers are
engaged in the enforcement of federal criminal laws and exercise the
arrest powers only incidental to the performance of these duties.
(3) When requested by a California law enforcement agency to be
involved in a joint task force or criminal investigation.
(4) When probable cause exists to believe that a public offense
that involves immediate danger to persons or property has just
occurred or is being committed.
In all of these instances, the provisions of Section 847 shall
apply. These investigators and law enforcement officers, prior to the
exercise of these arrest powers, shall have been certified by their
agency heads as having satisfied the training requirements of Section
832, or the equivalent thereof.
This subdivision does not apply to federal officers of the Bureau
of Land Management or the Forest Service of the Department of
Agriculture. These officers have no authority to enforce California
statutes without the written consent of the sheriff or the chief of
police in whose jurisdiction they are assigned.
(b) Duly authorized federal employees who comply with the training
requirements set forth in Section 832 are peace officers when they
are engaged in enforcing applicable state or local laws on property
owned or possessed by the United States government, or on any street,
sidewalk, or property adjacent thereto, and with the written consent
of the sheriff or the chief of police, respectively, in whose
jurisdiction the property is situated.
(c) National park rangers are not California peace officers but
may exercise the powers of arrest of a peace officer as specified in
Section 836 and the powers of a peace officer specified in Section
5150 of the Welfare and Institutions Code for violations of state or
local laws provided these rangers are exercising the arrest powers
incidental to the performance of their federal duties or providing or
attempting to provide law enforcement services in response to a
request initiated by California state park rangers to assist in
preserving the peace and protecting state parks and other property
for which California state park rangers are responsible. National
park rangers, prior to the exercise of these arrest powers, shall
have been certified by their agency heads as having satisfactorily
completed the training requirements of Section 832.3, or the
equivalent thereof.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, during a state of
war emergency or a state of emergency, as defined in Section 8558 of
the Government Code, federal criminal investigators and law
enforcement officers who are assisting California law enforcement
officers in carrying out emergency operations are not deemed
California peace officers, but may exercise the powers of arrest of a
peace officer as specified in Section 836 and the powers of a peace
officer specified in Section 5150 of the Welfare and Institutions
Code for violations of state or local laws. In these instances, the
provisions of Section 847 and of Section 8655 of the Government Code
shall apply.
(e) (1) Any qualified person who is appointed as a Washoe tribal
law enforcement officer is not a California peace officer, but may
exercise the powers of a Washoe tribal peace officer when engaged in
the enforcement of Washoe tribal criminal laws against any person who
is an Indian, as defined in subsection (a) of Section 450b of Title
25 of the United States Code, on Washoe tribal land. The respective
prosecuting authorities, in consultation with law enforcement
agencies, may agree on who shall have initial responsibility for
prosecution of specified infractions. This subdivision is not meant
to confer cross-deputized status as California peace officers, nor to
confer California peace officer status upon Washoe tribal law
enforcement officers when enforcing state or local laws in the State
of California. Nothing in this section shall be construed to impose
liability upon or to require indemnification by the County of Alpine
or the State of California for any act performed by an officer of the
Washoe Tribe. Washoe tribal law enforcement officers shall have the
right to travel to and from Washoe tribal lands within California in
order to carry out tribal duties.
(2) Washoe tribal law enforcement officers are exempted from the
provisions of subdivision (a) of Section 12025 and subdivision (a) of
Section 12031 while performing their official duties on their tribal
lands or while proceeding by a direct route to or from the tribal
lands. Tribal law enforcement vehicles are deemed to be emergency
vehicles within the meaning of Section 30 of the Vehicle Code while
performing official police services.
(3) As used in this subdivision, the term "Washoe tribal lands"
includes the following:
(A) All lands located in the County of Alpine within the limits of
the reservation created for the Washoe Tribe of Nevada and
California, notwithstanding the issuance of any patent and including
rights-of-way running through the reservation and all tribal trust
lands.
(B) All Indian allotments, the Indian titles to which have not
been extinguished, including rights-of-way running through the same.
(4) As used in this subdivision, the term "Washoe tribal law"
refers to the laws codified in the Law and Order Code of the Washoe
Tribe of Nevada and California, as adopted by the Tribal Council of
the Washoe Tribe of Nevada and California.
 

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My 25 year Forest Service career included 18 in California. I was a Forest Protection Officer (FPO - a non-armed law enforcement officer) who worked very closely with Forest Service, BLM, and National Park Service LEO's. I was very active in this endeavor, with the highest law enforcement incident count on the Inyo NF. This workload required my knowing the law more than the average FPO.

During the late 1980's in Mono County, California as the Forest Service began to create more law enforcement positions than the agency had previously, the issue of state peace officer appointment for USFS LEO's was being dealt with. This was a statewide issue as well. The state law you cited contains the following wording in relation to this issue:

This subdivision does not apply to federal officers of the Bureau
of Land Management or the Forest Service of the Department of
Agriculture. These officers have no authority to enforce California
statutes without the written consent of the sheriff or the chief of
police in whose jurisdiction they are assigned.


At that time Mono County had a sheriff who had a very poor attitude toward federal agencies. As I remember the discussions, this sheriff was going to refuse to sign this written consent at one point. This was unusual as this could have been the only county in the state where this consent had not been given. As I understand it, this was more of a routine procedure in other counties.

This site PEACE OFFICERS provides some insight on this issue in other states.

In actual practice Forest Service LEO's do not get involved in state peace officer duties unless they are involved in mutual aid situations where they are requested to do so or as a matter of practicality. The latter occurs when a violation such as DUI's on off highway vehicles occurs and state/local officers are not available. Mutual aid situations occurred with regularity in Inyo and Mono counties during large special events. NPS, BLM, and USFS LEO's were included in large task forces assembled to handle the events. They were not there just to assist and hand off most situations to state/local officers, but to exercise the full authority of a state peace officer. As I recall mutual aid need was the issue that caused the Mono County sheriff to change his mind. Since then the subsequent sheriffs in the eastern Sierra have become far more professional than this one had been at the time.
 

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I patrolled Area 12 (Big Pines area near Wrightwood), as a volunteer, for the USFS over the three day weekend. Edward-17 and Edward-12 are our usual LEOs for the area. They work their way across the forest, Area-10 (Little Rock Dam), Area -11 (Valyermo) and then our area in the high country.

Edward-12 has been riding along with Tom-2, in the passenger seat the past two days. Apparently "Tom" stands for "Training" or an officer who has completed the academy and is getting additional training in the field, working with a seasoned Edward unit.
 

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Most often hear them citing people (vehicles) not having Adventure Passes.

Forest Protection Officers (FPO's) can issue citations for this violation as well. The determination of what positions require qualification as an FPO is determined by workload, grade (general schedule such as GS-4, 5, etc.), and sometimes the interest of the employee i.e. they might be in a position that doesn't require FPO qualifications but the employee wants to help out. Typically most field going employees in recreation are FPO's.

The call sign for FPO's is not anything special that can be distinguished from non-FPO employees. They might be "Recreation 11," (commonly abbreviated as "Rec") "Wilderness 35," "Timber 52" or "Resources 23." On larger and more remote National Forests FPO's play a larger role in law enforcement, due to the ratio of LEO's to the acreage of the Forest. These call signs consist of the function first, the district number second, and the rank or position in the function last.

The experience and skill of an FPO, the workload of a particular position, the availability of LEO's and the interest of the FPO may cause certain FPO's to handle more complex and more frequent law enforcement involvement. These were all factors in my high officer law enforcement numbers on the Inyo NF.

The Forest Service is the only agency among the 4 federal natural resource agencies to have an FPO or non-armed law enforcement officer program. The Department of the Interior does not have any, instead relying on LEO's to do all law enforcement.
 

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Smokey, do your FPOs wear big boy belts? Do they have serialized badges or wear the standard USFS badge on their shirts?
 

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Smokey, do your FPOs wear big boy belts? Do they have serialized badges or wear the standard USFS badge on their shirts?

FPO's don't wear any defensive equipment. The wear the standard badge worn by all uniformed employees.
 

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Forest Protection Officers (FPO's) can issue citations for this violation as well.

Volunteers that have gone through the 8 hour training class with a LEO are also allowed to write the new Notice Of Required Fee citations. NNCs (Notices of Non-Compliance) are no longer issued in Area 12 (Big Pines area) of the Angeles National Forest.

For those not aware of this change, the NeRF is taken more seriously than the NNC.

Adventure Pass - Passes&Permits - Pacific Southwest Region
 
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