N4KVE
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That, or they're eating expired medication. LOL.
Who are these Hams who pay way too much on Ebay?
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N9ODM
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Here I thought ePay went out of their way to spot shill bids and stop them
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kayn1n32008
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US$800 what a joke... that is a pair of XTS-3000's and a bunch of accessories for both. That is such a freaking joke of a 15yr old ham crap mobileHere I thought ePay went out of their way to spot shill bids and stop them
MTS2000des
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reasearch has revealed
After searching past auctions that have closed, there are several of these FT-3000M's that PAYBAY reports as SOLD listings, some of them were as HIGH as $810 to as LOW as $149.
But when you start looking for feedback on those higher dollar sales on those $400 and $500 FT-3000's, you will be hard pressed to find such feedback. Now, I do know not everyone leaves feedback, however, I was able to confirm at least ONE sale that resulted in a RAPE OFF high bid price of $560 by a PAYBAY buyer of a similar used FT-3000M within the last couple of months, the user has a feedback rating of 286, which means the likelihood of them being a shill is low (usually shills are zero, 1 or low feedback sock puppet accounts setup by the seller or their associates), so as far as I can tell, this appears to have been a legitimate completed sale of such a radio, the happy buyer left positive feedback for their absurdly high purchase price:
VGC Yaesu ft 3000M VHF 70 Watt Amateur 2 Meter Radio UHF Receiver 800 999MHz | eBay
eBay Feedback Profile for wootoo
In this case, the winning bidder paid a grand total of $572 for a used, 14 year old (based on the serial number on the warranty card shown in the photo, 0E330248, indicating a year 2000 manufacture date) 2 meter radio. Granted this example is in good shape, but the buyer could have easily bought a full fledged dual bander with APRS such as an Kenwood TM-D710AG, or for a few bucks more, a digital dual band radio such as a Yaesu FTM-400DR brand new with a full warranty from a number of dealers.
So apparently there is at least one verifiable sucker overpaying for these ancient relic radios. PT Barnum was right indeed!
After searching past auctions that have closed, there are several of these FT-3000M's that PAYBAY reports as SOLD listings, some of them were as HIGH as $810 to as LOW as $149.
But when you start looking for feedback on those higher dollar sales on those $400 and $500 FT-3000's, you will be hard pressed to find such feedback. Now, I do know not everyone leaves feedback, however, I was able to confirm at least ONE sale that resulted in a RAPE OFF high bid price of $560 by a PAYBAY buyer of a similar used FT-3000M within the last couple of months, the user has a feedback rating of 286, which means the likelihood of them being a shill is low (usually shills are zero, 1 or low feedback sock puppet accounts setup by the seller or their associates), so as far as I can tell, this appears to have been a legitimate completed sale of such a radio, the happy buyer left positive feedback for their absurdly high purchase price:
VGC Yaesu ft 3000M VHF 70 Watt Amateur 2 Meter Radio UHF Receiver 800 999MHz | eBay
eBay Feedback Profile for wootoo
In this case, the winning bidder paid a grand total of $572 for a used, 14 year old (based on the serial number on the warranty card shown in the photo, 0E330248, indicating a year 2000 manufacture date) 2 meter radio. Granted this example is in good shape, but the buyer could have easily bought a full fledged dual bander with APRS such as an Kenwood TM-D710AG, or for a few bucks more, a digital dual band radio such as a Yaesu FTM-400DR brand new with a full warranty from a number of dealers.
So apparently there is at least one verifiable sucker overpaying for these ancient relic radios. PT Barnum was right indeed!
W8RMH
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Ebay does not sell anything they are just the platform for sellers to use. That is like bashing the mall because you didn't like your purchase from one of the stores there.
You have to shop around and look at each seller's feedback and history. If you don't like the price go elsewhere. I have purchased over a dozen radios from Ebay sellers with no problem. Plus my purchases are always protected which you don't always have when buying elsewhere.
I have seen many products with an asking price well above MSRP or what some other sellers are asking. Some people don't look at the prices. I see people getting gas all the time when the price is 30 cents a gallon cheaper across the street.
You have to shop around and look at each seller's feedback and history. If you don't like the price go elsewhere. I have purchased over a dozen radios from Ebay sellers with no problem. Plus my purchases are always protected which you don't always have when buying elsewhere.
I have seen many products with an asking price well above MSRP or what some other sellers are asking. Some people don't look at the prices. I see people getting gas all the time when the price is 30 cents a gallon cheaper across the street.
MTS2000des
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Must have been Elivis' radio
$800? Is this guy on rock cocaine? Man, I feel like I got robbed and didn't even buy anything!
Yaesu ft 3000M 2 Meter Ham Radio Original Box and Accessories | eBay
$800? Is this guy on rock cocaine? Man, I feel like I got robbed and didn't even buy anything!
Yaesu ft 3000M 2 Meter Ham Radio Original Box and Accessories | eBay
toastycookies
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Kenwood TM 281A VHF 136 174Mhz 65W Mobile Two Way Radio Car Truck Transceiver | eBay
$257.99 from china (More than 10 available)
KENWOOD TM-281A | 2M 65W 200 MEMS TRANSCEIVER W WX ALERT
$142.95 from HRO
Wonder if the one from china is even real considering all the kenwood and icom radios they have been found counterfeiting...
$257.99 from china (More than 10 available)
KENWOOD TM-281A | 2M 65W 200 MEMS TRANSCEIVER W WX ALERT
$142.95 from HRO
Wonder if the one from china is even real considering all the kenwood and icom radios they have been found counterfeiting...
You are right, the TYT 9800 I bought was an exact duplicate of the Ft-8800 in every way, even in programming. Also, the FT-8800 is only duel band, but that is not my point. If they put a Yaesu label on it, only the most discerning would know the difference.
rapidcharger
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Probably not! Or if it is, it probably came from the same factory but got tossed in the "Q.C. fail" bin.
But it's important to remember that people go shopping on ebay with the notion that ebay is cheaper. Often times, they don't know what the going rate of a radio is and they aren't shopping around on other sites. Might not even know HRO even exists. And to make matters worse, if they were to leave ebay, they will more than likely start seeing ads on other websites for the 281 they just looked at... but on Ebay, not HRO.
And another thing to realize with those Chinese sellers is that they sell worldwide.
American ebayers are squeamish about selling even to Canada, let alone worldwide. So if someone is in another country where there is no HRO or other dealers and nobody else will ship, guess who's going to sell the radio.
MTS2000des
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So does HRO and AES, pretty sure you won't get the "free shipping" but one will be dealing with established companies selling non-counterfeit items versus some Ebay turd from China:
International Ordering Information
Shipping, Pricing & Return Policies: Ham & Amateur Radios - Equipment, Parts and Supply | AES
Only because Ebay doesn't offer any real protection to sellers outside the USA, neither does US law enforcement. For that matter, Ebay hardly offers any real protection against turdfaced morons who shill bid, file fraudulent "item not as described claims", etc, but at least if they are in the USA, a seller can contact authorities in that jurisdiction and MIGHT get someone locked up. It HAS happened. Or take them to California's studio city for an appearance on Judge Judy.
They're stupid if they don't shop around. Plenty of US (and other international ham dealers) sell and ship equipment worldwide, stand behind their sales, and offer lower prices and warranty service.
How many Ebay sellers in China offer that?
Oh sure, "return for repair"...I know of someone who bought a bogus Motorola from a Chinese Ebay seller and was told that. Then they contacted Ebay and were given turn by turn directions to their nearest ISO certified sand pounding facility.
Wonder if their "call tag" ever showed up? :wink:
Blackswan73
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OK, you talked me into it. Actually wanted a dual gander, but after reading some reviews, I bought one. Never owned Kenwood before. ICOM, Henry, Yaesu, and Drake, but not Kenwood
Blackswan73
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Gander=bander, lol stupid autocorrect
PrimeNumber
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Certainly beats having two geese hissing at me every time I walk into the shack. :^)
Happy to find this thread as I've noticed the same and would like to vent. The entire used ham market seems to be artificially inflated.
I've been looking to purchase an ICOM ic-7200 used for a couple weeks. Every listing I have found on qth, eham, and qrz have been listed as at least a couple years old, missing most of the original documentation and accessories, and get listed for $40 less than the new price ($740 used vs $780 new from hro, gigaparts, universal radio etc, all with free shipping). The best part is they have the nerve to state that the buyer has to pay for shipping as well. They all sell within a week.
I've seen ONE get listed for a sane, used, depreciation-concious price ($650), and it sold in an hour. In any other tech related hobby I've been in, even that price would be considered too much for something several years old and out of warranty.
So I go to look for one on eBay and see one with a bid at $500. Not bad! The seller admits it's several years old and doesn't have the original bag of spare connectors, but oh well, it's a good price, so I watch it.
When it gets close to the end of the auction, four people start bidding on it. The current bid is now $10 HIGHER than the new price on hro or universal radio, plus $20 for "economy" shipping. WTF! All four bidders have put in bids above the new price, so it's not even just one guy falling for this. They're all in the US too. Did I mention the auction has 12 hours to go and they're still bidding back and forth?
Can someone explain this stupidity to me? After witnessing all this crap I'm just going to spend the whopping $40 extra to buy one brand new, in a brand new box, warrantied from universal radio or hro. I mean why not, it's quite clear I can lose the box, use it for several years, then sell it and make a PROFIT!
I've been looking to purchase an ICOM ic-7200 used for a couple weeks. Every listing I have found on qth, eham, and qrz have been listed as at least a couple years old, missing most of the original documentation and accessories, and get listed for $40 less than the new price ($740 used vs $780 new from hro, gigaparts, universal radio etc, all with free shipping). The best part is they have the nerve to state that the buyer has to pay for shipping as well. They all sell within a week.
I've seen ONE get listed for a sane, used, depreciation-concious price ($650), and it sold in an hour. In any other tech related hobby I've been in, even that price would be considered too much for something several years old and out of warranty.
So I go to look for one on eBay and see one with a bid at $500. Not bad! The seller admits it's several years old and doesn't have the original bag of spare connectors, but oh well, it's a good price, so I watch it.
When it gets close to the end of the auction, four people start bidding on it. The current bid is now $10 HIGHER than the new price on hro or universal radio, plus $20 for "economy" shipping. WTF! All four bidders have put in bids above the new price, so it's not even just one guy falling for this. They're all in the US too. Did I mention the auction has 12 hours to go and they're still bidding back and forth?
Can someone explain this stupidity to me? After witnessing all this crap I'm just going to spend the whopping $40 extra to buy one brand new, in a brand new box, warrantied from universal radio or hro. I mean why not, it's quite clear I can lose the box, use it for several years, then sell it and make a PROFIT!
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mmckenna
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My opinion, it's called "winning at any cost".
So many people focus on being first/best/richest/fastest/fill-in-the-blank, that it will drive them to do damn near anything to be the "winner".
All you have to do is watch the news and see what politicians (Federal/State/Local) are up to. Cheat, lie, steal, all of the above. Instant gratification, damn the costs. Elections are bought/sold just like radios on e-bay.
Not trying to be pessimistic, but this is what I see very often. Outer image is worth more than honesty, honor and character for many people. This is no exception.
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kayn1n32008
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Here is another Ft-3000, over US$800... Winning at all cost... Although it looks like someone is starting to shill bid to drive it up even further.
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MTS2000des
5B2_BEE00 Czar
you must mean this one:
Yaesu ft 3000M 2 Meter VHF 70W Radio with Manual and More | eBay
I cannot believe someone would pay even HALF of this RAPE OFF price.
Either it's shill bidding at it's finest, or there are some people who's O2 sat is dangerously low from long term MOUTH BREATHING.
SMH.
(and to think, I paid less than $50 for a CURRENT MODEL Icom NXDN LMR HT in mint shape last week:
Icom F3261DS Hand Held Portable Radio Receiver Fire EMS Police Programmable | eBay)
Yaesu ft 3000M 2 Meter VHF 70W Radio with Manual and More | eBay
I cannot believe someone would pay even HALF of this RAPE OFF price.
Either it's shill bidding at it's finest, or there are some people who's O2 sat is dangerously low from long term MOUTH BREATHING.
SMH.
(and to think, I paid less than $50 for a CURRENT MODEL Icom NXDN LMR HT in mint shape last week:
Icom F3261DS Hand Held Portable Radio Receiver Fire EMS Police Programmable | eBay)
kayn1n32008
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Yea thats the one...
MTS2000des
5B2_BEE00 Czar
Here's another one:
Yaesu ft 3000M 2 Meter VHF 70 Watt Radio | eBay
Can someone tell me what is so forking special about the FT-3000? Why would someone pay so much for an average 2 meter radio that's 15 years old at least when you can buy a NEW Japanese made dual band DIGITAL radio for this price?
Man I feel like I got robbed! and I didn't even buy anything!
Yaesu ft 3000M 2 Meter VHF 70 Watt Radio | eBay
Can someone tell me what is so forking special about the FT-3000? Why would someone pay so much for an average 2 meter radio that's 15 years old at least when you can buy a NEW Japanese made dual band DIGITAL radio for this price?
Man I feel like I got robbed! and I didn't even buy anything!
for those who read my IC-7200 story above....I gave up and just ordered one brand new from gigaparts (for cheaper than what the one I was bidding on ended up going for on ebay)
So...I go to try to bid on a used power supply. An Astron RS-35A. I was close to getting it for $99, which would have been an ok deal I guess. 12 hours left, and three separate people outbid me. It ended up going for the new price from gigaparts, plus $40 more for shipping. So three people were willing to pay $40 more than NEW price for a heavily used power supply. As before, I gave up and just ordered one new from gigaparts
I am now utterly convinced it's not just radios, but anything ham gear related. My only hypothesis for this is these hams have no idea how to use the internet to research NEW prices, and assume because it's on ebay, the price will be good. There's no other explanation. and those FT-3000M prices are insane.
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So...I go to try to bid on a used power supply. An Astron RS-35A. I was close to getting it for $99, which would have been an ok deal I guess. 12 hours left, and three separate people outbid me. It ended up going for the new price from gigaparts, plus $40 more for shipping. So three people were willing to pay $40 more than NEW price for a heavily used power supply. As before, I gave up and just ordered one new from gigaparts
I am now utterly convinced it's not just radios, but anything ham gear related. My only hypothesis for this is these hams have no idea how to use the internet to research NEW prices, and assume because it's on ebay, the price will be good. There's no other explanation. and those FT-3000M prices are insane.
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