Wouxun KG-1000G Repeater with ID-O-Matic IV

[prcguy]

Most radios have a receive busy light or icon on the display that lights up when you break squelch. Its common to tap into that and buffer it for COR use down stream. But now a simple mic jack plug and play repeater becomes a Frankenstein project with wires soldered inside. At that point I'll refer you back to post #5 here with a purpose built very high end repeater which used surplus costs less than a pair of Wouxun radios.

I had heard that some additional info on how to get a true COR on this radio had been provided by the manufacturer but my lead has not provided any detail. Maybe a hopeful, but false report. I'm sorry that I haven't spent much time on it, lately.

 

[vernondraper]

While what you are saying about cost, etc iI won't argue with, it isn't the point of the thread. I have put my 2 KG-1000G's back into service as mobile radios (one to my brother) and they have some good features as a mobile that can't be used in repeater mode. The whole point was whether it was possible and not whether or not it should happen. We all play with different toys with different goals in mind. I did some testing but I was never going to melt much solder on it. As a repeater, it doesn't really need an IDer anyway but it was fun. There are lots of folks happy with the non-IDer setup. Fortunately, no one has to listen to someone else telling them how to spend their money.

 

[prcguy]

I see someone trying to dig a swimming pool hole using a spoon and I toss out a recommendation to get a shovel. I've done what you are trying to do many times over, some with great success, some not so much. Sorry for trying to help.

If your home made repeater is used by anyone besides you and people within your immediate family who can legally use your personal license, it must have an IDer.

While what you are saying about cost, etc iI won't argue with, it isn't the point of the thread. I have put my 2 KG-1000G's back into service as mobile radios (one to my brother) and they have some good features as a mobile that can't be used in repeater mode. The whole point was whether it was possible and not whether or not it should happen. We all play with different toys with different goals in mind. I did some testing but I was never going to melt much solder on it. As a repeater, it doesn't really need an IDer anyway but it was fun. There are lots of folks happy with the non-IDer setup. Fortunately, no one has to listen to someone else telling them how to spend their money.

 

[vernondraper]

I see someone trying to dig a swimming pool hole using a spoon and I toss out a recommendation to get a shovel. I've done what you are trying to do many times over, some with great success, some not so much. Sorry for trying to help.

If your home made repeater is used by anyone besides you and people within your immediate family who can legally use your personal license, it must have an IDer.

prcguy,
If you can help, please do, but a bunch of unsolicited opinion bashing any choice of radio but your own alienates those who did buy this radio. We understand that you don't like Chinese radios. We understand that you have tried these things many times over. The point is that we haven't, we're learning and we're having a good time. Any idea how to get a true COR out of this radio? No? Ever used this radio? No? Why troll the thread?

 

[vernondraper]

This has been discussed extensively. However, decide for yourself.

95.1751

© Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,
(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.

Could be interpreted that when used by the individual or the family (who ID's accordingly), it wouldn’t need to ID. Or, commonly interpreted as, "operating under authority" to mean anyone who gets permission from the owner

 

[billkelsey]

Just as a point of reference. I have just setup a home-brew repeater built with two KG1000G's and it is working great, with a roughly 25-30 mile range in all directions - and is serving my need just perfectly..
Anyone interested can find it on 700, DCS/DPL=271 anywhere in the Inland Empire of Southern California.

I have put together the same pair of KG-1000G's and I am experiencing problems using the 50w duplexer. Significant loss in power out the duplexer, lots of noise in the background and my receive range is terrible. Are you using a duplexer or two antennas. If you are using a duplexer, did you have it tuned to the specific freq (700) or, just as it came out of the box. I'm working on putting up two antennas to try it that way.

 

[vernondraper]

The duplexer does reduce the power. In general, though the transmit will still outpace the receive distance. I did go through the process to tune it (the $150 one) but it doesn't help much. Also, they over rate the power to begin with. Two antennas should work nicely. I tested it that way and got the expected output plus antenna gain but I have only my two towers and I'm limited on space so two antennas wouldn't work for me past testing. It is my opinion that it's usually more about the antennas and their height than the radio anyway. Get a decent antenna(s) and go higher, higher! I have a friend who had your same experience and last I heard suspects some local interference. Let us know what you find.

 

[alcahuete]

This has been discussed extensively. However, decide for yourself.

95.1751

© Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,
(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.

Could be interpreted that when used by the individual or the family (who ID's accordingly), it wouldn’t need to ID. Or, commonly interpreted as, "operating under authority" to mean anyone who gets permission from the owner

That is a very poor interpretation. People operating under the authority of the individual license (i.e. family members) would be identifying with the same call sign as the repeater's call sign. I.e., If my call sign is WWW1111, my repeater's call sign would also be WWW1111. Any family member operating under my license would also identify with WWW1111. So there is no need for the repeater to identify. The individual users are identifying using the same call sign as the repeater.

If other people are using the repeater, and thus using their own call signs, i.e. WWW1112 and WWW1113, the repeater's call sign would never be given, thus the repeater needs to identify.

It's actually really simple.

 

[alcahuete]

And if you want to know what the FCC defines as "under authority of" that's also right in Part 95:


(c) Individuals who may operate a GMRS station. This paragraph establishes who may operate a GMRS station under the authority of an individual license.


(1) Any individual who holds an individual license may operate his or her GMRS stations.


(2) Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.


(3) Any individual who holds an individual license may allow anyone to operate his or her GMRS station if necessary to communicate an emergency message.


(4) Any non-individual person that holds a grandfathered GMRS license may allow individuals to operate its grandfathered GMRS station(s) only in accordance with the following paragraphs:


(i) A partnership may allow its partners and employees to operate its GMRS station(s).


(ii) A corporation may allow its officers, directors, members and employees to operate its GMRS station(s).


(iii) An association may allow its members and employees to operate its GMRS station(s).






(iv) A governmental unit may allow its employees to operate its GMRS station(s).

 

[billkelsey]

The duplexer does reduce the power. In general, though the transmit will still outpace the receive distance. I did go through the process to tune it (the $150 one) but it doesn't help much. Also, they over rate the power to begin with. Two antennas should work nicely. I tested it that way and got the expected output plus antenna gain but I have only my two towers and I'm limited on space so two antennas wouldn't work for me past testing. It is my opinion that it's usually more about the antennas and their height than the radio anyway. Get a decent antenna(s) and go higher, higher! I have a friend who had your same experience and last I heard suspects some local interference. Let us know what you find.

No improvement with the separate receive antenna. I now think I may have an issue with the receive side of the KG-1000G. I've gone back to simplex operation for now and will do more checking on the radio itself. As for the duplexer, I will check into having it tuned specifically to 600 and the possibility that I may need to replace it with something of better quality. Thanks for your input. When I get back to putting the repeater in operation, I will give an update on the progress. Thanks again.

 

[farmerjack_09]

*Disregard*

 

[alcahuete]

Wrong. Suggest you read Part 95, or just look above, where the specific rule is actually printed. There are situations where an ID is not required, but stating that there is a blanket lack of requirement is 100% incorrect.

 

[farmerjack_09]

Wrong. Suggest you read Part 95, or just look above, where the specific rule is actually printed. There are situations where an ID is not required, but stating that there is a blanket lack of requirement is 100% incorrect.

I was trying to delete my post but it wouldn't let me delete it all and I agree with you 100%

 

[alcahuete]

I was trying to delete my post but it wouldn't let me delete it all and I agree with you 100%

Yeah...the forum is kinda weird like that. I actually tried deleting mine after I saw you edited yours and it wouldn't let me. It was literally 30 seconds. LOL!