XG-100p NAS

[Com-Tech51H8]

Hi everyone,

i recently programed 2 systems into my radio and system 1 takes forever to lock on to the site and acts as it supposed to. system 2 doesnt even register. the 2 systems are almost identical systems. i guess what im asking is this normal behavior? or have i completely missed a step somewhere as this is the 1st time im programming a harris unit.

 

[Thunderknight]

If it just stays searching for control channel, check your NAC. RPM fills out a default NAC based on the sysid that may not be correct. The RRDB has NACs by site for many (most?) systems.
I assume (and hope) you set registration timer to never.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

If it just stays searching for control channel, check your NAC. RPM fills out a default NAC based on the sysid that may not be correct. The RRDB has NACs by site for many (most?) systems.
I assume (and hope) you set registration timer to never.

Yes first thing I did was set both to never. I’ve looked and based on that I imputed the information into the mission plan but my main concern is the time it takes for the radio to recognize the system

 

[Thunderknight]

If these are simulcast systems, make sure that "Linear Simulcast" is checked.
Are you using Fixed ProScan for the roaming type? Even if you are trying to setup RSSI based roaming, Fixed is a good first troubleshooting step since it keeps it simple. Note that if you use Fixed, the NAC, RFSS and Site IDs must be 100% correct.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

If these are simulcast systems, make sure that "Linear Simulcast" is checked.
Are you using Fixed ProScan for the roaming type? Even if you are trying to setup RSSI based roaming, Fixed is a good first troubleshooting step since it keeps it simple. Note that if you use Fixed, the NAC, RFSS and Site IDs must be 100% correct.

I am using linear simulcast and i have fixed proscan checked. ive double checked the information via RRDB and secondary sources all believe the 2 site ids are correct.

 

[timkilbride]

How many frequencies are programmed into the trunked set? Even the current production XL-200p takes some time if the trunked set has a lot of frequencies.

Tim

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

at the very least 3 at the most probably 7

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

ok so here's an update to my issue i was able to get a cheap sdr to monitor the two systems. i got both band plans and trunk sets but what am i missing i can get the radio to see one system but not the other not sure if im just missing something here. the 2 system use the same WACN IDs different rfss and site ids.

SYSTEM 1
Activity Summary - Decoder25 Phase 1 Normal (C4FM)

Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:695[1685] NAC:690[1680] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:695[1685] NAC:690[1680] RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:0-817 DOWNLINK:856112500 UPLINK:811112500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1321 DOWNLINK:859262500 UPLINK:814262500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1393 DOWNLINK:859712500 UPLINK:814712500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1481 DOWNLINK:860262500 UPLINK:815262500
CURRENT DATA CHANNEL:15-4095 DOWNLINK:0 UPLINK:0
STATION ID/LICENSE:

Neighbor Sites
SYSTEM:695[1685] NAC:690[1680] RFSS:01[1] SITE:02[2] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-565 DOWNLINK:854537500 UPLINK:809537500 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]
SYSTEM:695[1685] NAC:690[1680] RFSS:01[1] SITE:03[3] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-1509 DOWNLINK:860437500 UPLINK:815437500 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]

Frequency Bands
BAND:0 FDMA BASE:851006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000
BAND:1 FDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000
BAND:2 TDMA BASE:851012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000 TIMESLOTS:2
BAND:3 TDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000 TIMESLOTS:2
BAND:4 FDMA BASE:935012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-39000000
BAND:5 TDMA BASE:935012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-39000000 TIMESLOTS:2

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SYS 2
SYSTEM:86B[2155] NAC:861[2145] RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1353 DOWNLINK:859462500 UPLINK:814462500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1193 DOWNLINK:858462500 UPLINK:813462500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1273 DOWNLINK:858962500 UPLINK:813962500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1433 DOWNLINK:859962500 UPLINK:814962500
STATION ID/LICENSE:

Neighbor Sites
UNKNOWN
Frequency Bands
BAND:0 FDMA BASE:851006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000
BAND:1 FDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000
BAND:2 TDMA BASE:851012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000 TIMESLOTS:2
BAND:3 TDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000 TIMESLOTS:2
BAND:4 FDMA BASE:935012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-39000000
BAND:5 TDMA BASE:935012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-39000000 TIMESLOTS:2
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[Radioman96p71]

Can you show your WA Network sets, does the SID match what the decoder found? Motorola is notorious for using a different NAC from the SID which can cause some confusion.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

 

[Radioman96p71]

Hmm that all looks correct. The next testing step would be to verify its not an issue with the radio and program the same personality into another radio to see what it does. From a programming perspective, that all looks to be correct.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

Hmm that all looks correct. The next testing step would be to verify its not an issue with the radio and program the same personality into another radio to see what it does. From a programming perspective, that all looks to be correct.

unfortunately i don't have another portable to try this on. ive tried every possible combination to get this to work. i think i have the correct feature set to get this to work


P25 Conventional
Trunking
7-800
GPS
BLUETOOTH

 

[Forts]

I've never used the Adaptive Filter checkbox before... could try taking that off.
On the system that doesn't want to work... trying setting Roaming to Enhanced CC (edit the Band Hunt frequencies to only cover what that system uses). This way if it finds the proper SYSID and WACN it should lock on regardless of your NAC/RFSS ID/Site ID settings. If that doesn't work I'm thinking there is an issue with frequencies or your IDEN set.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

I've never used the Adaptive Filter checkbox before... could try taking that off.
On the system that doesn't want to work... trying setting Roaming to Enhanced CC (edit the Band Hunt frequencies to only cover what that system uses). This way if it finds the proper SYSID and WACN it should lock on regardless of your NAC/RFSS ID/Site ID settings. If that doesn't work I'm thinking there is an issue with frequencies or your IDEN set.

Most of the forum post I’ve read here and in other spots is that TDMA Adaptive filter and linear simulcast need to checked but I’m willing to try anything to make this work. I can pm you my email address to kind of discuss this further.?

 

[Forts]

I've got multiple simulcast systems in my radios... never checked that box before. And yes, feel free to PM away.

 

[Thunderknight]

I would change Rensselaer to fixed scan until you figure out what is going on...just to simplify things. If your radio doesn't have TDMA, you might want to uncheck the TDMA box just to be sure it isn't causing some kind of conflict when it programs the radio with a feature it doesn't have (you didn't list it in your previous post).

It's possible you have a radio issue. Another thing to test...can you program a couple of the voice channels as P25 conventional and see if you can decode (hear) the P25 voice traffic cleanly and without any issues? Both systems are fairly busy and shouldn't take too long to hear traffic. If not, you may have a radio issue, such as the receiver drifting off frequency enough that it can't decode the P25 packets.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

I would change Rensselaer to fixed scan until you figure out what is going on...just to simplify things. If your radio doesn't have TDMA, you might want to uncheck the TDMA box just to be sure it isn't causing some kind of conflict when it programs the radio with a feature it doesn't have (you didn't list it in your previous post).

It's possible you have a radio issue. Another thing to test...can you program a couple of the voice channels as P25 conventional and see if you can decode (hear) the P25 voice traffic cleanly and without any issues? Both systems are fairly busy and shouldn't take too long to hear traffic. If not, you may have a radio issue, such as the receiver drifting off frequency enough that it can't decode the P25 packets.

thats a good thought as i didnt even think of doing that. also a few nights ago i was able to receive Rensco system fine for about 30 mins then lost it was even sitting in an open area and couldnt get it back and still isnt back. same thing with albany the radio sees the system but wont decode depending on setting i think im going to have to build personality w/ albany in it test it narrow it down and do it that way for rensselaer.

 

[rescue161]

Do you have P25 ProScan enabled on your feature string? It is option 6. If that is not enabled, Fixed ProScan will not work at all.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

Do you have P25 ProScan enabled on your feature string? It is option 6. If that is not enabled, Fixed ProScan will not work at all.

I believe it is enabled i would have to double check when i get home.

 

[rescue161]

I pulled my hair out on one before. It worked fine if it was normally affiliated, but using NAS and ProScan, it would not.