XTS programming feature set

[amys17]

Please forgive me if this topic has been posted elsewhere. I have searched and can't seem to find answers. I'm trying to learn about these radios and have done a lot of research that sure confuses me. But here it goes.
I have a Motorola XTS 2500 in my possession. The backplate lists the model # as H46UCH9PW2AN with Flashport 0010080024100. Upon looking in CPS for information, it lists the same model number, Flashcode 501008-000488-0. Codeplug is 0024. All other fields (firmware, DSP, etc) say NA. It does list the I-button code.

When I turn the radio on and perform a test mode to obtain this information, here's what it displays.
Model # H46UCH9PW7AN
Serial # matches that on the backplate of the radio
Host 09.00.41
DSP 16.00.01
ROM 4meg
Flashcode 501008-000488-0

CPS lists Q574 - 9600 baud trunking and H43 - Trunked radio trace/remote monitor in the feature set.

So my question is can this radio be programmed for a p25 apco common air interface system and what would need to be done to achieve that.
I understand that flashcodes determine abilities that are programmed into a radio, but how do those features then show up in the feature set listed in cps.

Thanks for understanding and helping me learn better.
Amy

 

[K2NEC]

It depends on the system you are trying to program and what you are trying to program onto it. If you need an 800mhz P2 trunking radio then this is what you have. If you want to program Non Affiliate Scan then there is a way to do it. Just google it. If you are trying to get on a legit trunking network you need a system key and your system admin to program the radio for you. Either way since you are trying to program trunking you won't get very far.

 

[amys17]

I work for a fire department that is migrating onto ohio marcs which is listed as p25 phase 1 using APCO-25 Common Air Interface Exclusive. They are willing to allow my radio to be programmed with theirs and it will be sponsored and legit for use as it will be programmed legally. I just want to make sure I have everything on it or if it will need upgrades (firmware, features, etc) in order to be programmed. I don't really have a good understanding of flashcodes, vs firmware vs feature set vs flashport so that's why I'm confused. Basically as I understand it the flashcode is essentially the software that allows a radio to do certain things. The feature set listed in cps is a listing of those things from flashcode, but I notice they don't always match (example is this xts2500 has q574, but doesn't list the individual q806, q361, q173 and h38.)

 

[GTR8000]

H46UCH9PW7AN is a Model III (display/full keypad) XTS 2500 that is capable of 700/800 MHz P25 Phase I trunked operation. The radio should work fine on Ohio MARCS-IP. The FLASHcode is typical of an XTS 2500 that is only capable of P25 Phase I systems (aka 9600 Baud Trunking), and would not work on the older Motorola Type II system (aka 3600 Baud Trunking).

 

[GTR8000]

If you need an 800mhz P2 trunking radio then this is what you have.

No radio in the XTS/XTL series is capable of P25 Phase II operation, assuming that's what you meant by "P2".

 

[K2NEC]

No radio in the XTS/XTL series is capable of P25 Phase II operation, assuming that's what you meant by "P2".

That was a typo I should have read it before I posted but was in a rush

H46UCH9PW7AN is a Model III (display/full keypad) XTS 2500 that is capable of 700/800 MHz P25 Phase I trunked operation. The radio should work fine on Ohio MARCS-IP. The FLASHcode is typical of an XTS 2500 that is only capable of P25 Phase I systems (aka 9600 Baud Trunking), and would not work on the older Motorola Type II system (aka 3600 Baud Trunking).

It doesn't have to be a model 3

 

[amys17]

Thank you for the help. I've been trying to educate myself on these topics. From what I saw i thought exactly what you were saying. It's only for p25 phase 1. Which is fine for my area as the last motorola type II system was just decommissioned this month. I know motorola only makes p25 phase 2 in the apx series. But the feature set basically showing the package q574 instead of the individual abilities (q806 and such) was making me second guess myself. Again, thanks for the help.

 

[amys17]

As a follow up to this however, do I need to be concerned that the cps shows the model number as a 2an but radio itself shows 7an?

 

[GTR8000]

It doesn't have to be a model 3

The UCH in the model # indicates a Model III, so even though the label states it's a 2AN model, and CPS/service mode indicate a 7AN model, they both still indicate H46UCH.

For the XTS 2500 7/800 models: UCC = Model I, UCD = Model I.5, UCF = Model II, UCH = Model III

 

[GTR8000]

As a follow up to this however, do I need to be concerned that the cps shows the model number as a 2an but radio itself shows 7an?

Shouldn't present a problem, but the only way to know for certain is to have the radio programmed and tested. Ideally you want to have it serviced by someone who can check and tune it properly if you're going to actually be using this radio for public safety duties, especially if the radio's history is sketchy (which it sounds like it is).

 

[K2NEC]

The UCH in the model # indicates a Model III, so even though the label states it's a 2AN model, and CPS/service mode indicate a 7AN model, they both still indicate H46UCH.

For the XTS 2500 7/800 models: UCC = Model I, UCD = Model I.5, UCF = Model II, UCH = Model III

Doesn't mean it couldn't have been recased

 

[GTR8000]

Doesn't mean it couldn't have been recased

What does re-casing it have to do with anything? The radio clearly has a functioning display, as she indicated "here's what it displays" when she put it into service mode. The label, service mode, and CPS all indicate that it's a functioning Model III radio.

 

[amys17]

Just to settle the dispute, probably there's some truth both ways. The case looks new, so I do suspect recasing. But as previously stated, the cps program shows the H46UCH9PW7AN as does the radio display when placed into service/test mode. The label on the backplate is the only thing that shows the H46UCH9PW2AN. The radio display shows host version, dsp #, tuning # but cps shows N/A for all of those. So it definitely is a grey area.

 

[GTR8000]

Did you read the radio with CPS, or are you looking at a saved codeplug for the radio? All of the fields on the Versioning tab will only populate when the radio has been read into CPS, not from a saved codeplug. The only field that is going to display is Codeplug, as you mentioned. 0024 indicates the latest (and last) release of ASTRO 25 CPS, R20.01.00

 

[amys17]

I didn't know that. Never paid much attention. I saved the codeplug when I read the radio using cps when i got it so I just pulled that up when I was researching info. since i won't be the one to program it for trunking the only thing i ever did to it was write 2 conventional channels to it. I didn't reread it today so that's probably why they show N/A when I pull up the info.

 

[cmdrwill]

I saved the codeplug when I read the radio using cps

Make sure you save that codeplug to a safe place just in case something goes sideways. NO 1 RULE for radio programming 101.

 

[K2NEC]

What does re-casing it have to do with anything? The radio clearly has a functioning display, as she indicated "here's what it displays" when she put it into service mode. The label, service mode, and CPS all indicate that it's a functioning Model III radio.

Just because it has a functioning display doesn't mean it can't be a model 2 or even a 1.5. And if the model number says it's a model 3 it means it was ORIGINALLY a model 3 and it doesn't mean that the radio hasn't been recased to a model 2 or 1.5 over the years. I'm not trying to argue with you and it's off topic from the OP's question but just because the label says it doesn't mean that's what the radio is. Just like with flashcode and even the serial number.

There have been times that radios have been monkeyed with on ebay that were originally model 1 radios converted to model 2 or 3. Sellers state that the tags won't match because of said change.

 

[com501]

Unless you can print labels, like some of us.