1095 being shown at CES2015

[John]

Interesting that with all they do support the AOR does NOT list P25 Phase II. Of course those are preliminary specs.

 

[Swipesy]

There are those on RadioReference who mention that the GRE/Whistler radios are 2 years old. But we should not lose sight of the fact that GRE was first to the market with a scanner that could monitor Phase II. There is no other radio that is more modern that we can buy. Also, Uniden was late to the party and their radios do no more than the GRE/Whistlers are capable of doing and so all radios that monitor Phase II are two years old.

 

[Jay911]

Interesting that with all they do support the AOR does NOT list P25 Phase II. Of course those are preliminary specs.

I would suspect that has to do with Phase II being essentially only usable in trunking; the radio doesn't seem to do any trunking at all.

 

[KE4ZNR]

I would suspect that has to do with Phase II being essentially only usable in trunking; the radio doesn't seem to do any trunking at all.

I have never understood why AOR does not put a little more effort into getting basic P25 trunking features working. They don't have to do all of the bells & whistles that Whistler/Uniden does but at least include basic trunking to their wideband receivers.

And I will be adding a 1095 to my collection for sure. It will look nice beside my
Moto APX 7K and HP-2.

Marshall KE4ZNR

 

[Tom_G]

I also think the 1095 with a "real" detachable remote head will be a big plus.

 

[xrorx]

Is that a detachable head for remote use of the radio or is it an anti-theft feature?

 

[Jay911]

Is that a detachable head for remote use of the radio or is it an anti-theft feature?

If it follows the original mockup that was shown a few years ago, it is supposed to be a detachable head for remote use of the radio. You will see an RJ45 jack "under" where the head goes, if you look at the pictures of the head removed from the radio. My guess is that a cable connects between the radio body and the head when the head is detached.

All the photos I've seen so far only show the head being powered when it is connected to the radio body (with a different connector than the RJ45), so I don't know if they have the extension cable operating yet.

 

[maus92]

What people are forgetting is KENWOOD NXDN and MOTOROLA MOTOTRBO DMR are not open source and they will not release the rights to decode these formats and the scanner makers do not want in lawsuits. Until these radio makers release rights they are off limits for scanners. It is not Unidens, GRE, Whistlers fault they wish they could sell them. We would all buy them.

Just a note that NPSTC is expressly against implementing any digital technologies other than open-source P25 flavors - for public safety systems / interoperability reasons.

http://www.npstc.org/download.jsp?t...gital_Radio_Position_Paper_FINAL_20141202.pdf

 

[buddrousa]

Someone needs to tell Kenwood and Motorola this as both are actively selling with adds to Police Fire and EMS. These sells are even on the websites of each. As a public servant for 32 years I am all for 1 standard but that will never happen so out come the cross brand repeaters for Interop systems that I have no control over. We have a county near us that has Mototrbo cross branded link to a P25 Phase 1 systen for interop. We are seeing more and more of this between the small Motorola Shops linking to the Large Motorola Shops doing the P25 systems. These salesmen are selling Mototrbo to small departments as digital interopabilty radios with some paying the bill with grant money from the stories that we are hearing in our area. But I still would buy a scanner that would work with these systems also.

 

[rrbum]

Is that a detachable head for remote use of the radio or is it an anti-theft feature?

I would say both. There are several posts from Don (GRE/Whistler rep) where he mentions testing a prototype with 100' cat5 cable in his garage. Also of course, the removable face as a theft deterrent is obvious.

 

[maus92]

Someone needs to tell Kenwood and Motorola this as both are actively selling with adds to Police Fire and EMS. These sells are even on the websites of each. As a public servant for 32 years I am all for 1 standard but that will never happen so out come the cross brand repeaters for Interop systems that I have no control over. We have a county near us that has Mototrbo cross branded link to a P25 Phase 1 systen for interop. We are seeing more and more of this between the small Motorola Shops linking to the Large Motorola Shops doing the P25 systems. These salesmen are selling Mototrbo to small departments as digital interopabilty radios with some paying the bill with grant money from the stories that we are hearing in our area. But I still would buy a scanner that would work with these systems also.

I live in a large metro area that has 2 large regional organizations, and a state that is very *big* into interoperability. One member of one of the organizations, shall we say the DC Fire Dept - I repeat, a fire dept.- wanted to start encrypting to prevent embarrassing intercepts for political reasons. That idea was roundly criticized by neighboring jurisdictions, citing the potential disastrous effect on daily mutual aid calls... The DC Fire Dept has backed down, at least for now...

As for vendors, their franchisees and authorized dealers pushing non-P25 compliant gear: any jurisdiction that that proposes buying non-compliant equipment should be scrutinized heavily by all the stakeholders - I'd imagine their might be some shenanigans going on.

 

[buddrousa]

As we all know times are tuff and some people will mislead others for sales and the people that are buying these systems do not know that they are buying non-compliant radio equipment. I know people that buy the equipment and say Radio Joe and they say Radio Joe runs a 2way shop and knows more than we do. Tax money should never be spent unless the people doing the buying know what they are buying and what said radios will and will not do.

 

[APX8000]

Getting way off topic gentlemen...please don't hijack the thread.

 

[Hooligan]

I played a little with the WS-1095 spoke with Wayne Wilson (Whistler's VP - Scanners) at the CES on Thursday. Policy was to not say anything about pricing or availability, but they are about to go into production at their factory in the Philippines, and they do want the 1095 available in-time for the Dayton Hamvention, where Whistler will have a booth.

Sadly/amazingly, the 1080 has a feature the 1095 will not -- the 1080 apparently provides IF out through the earphone jack. If you want IF out on the 1095, you have to do the surgery, voiding the warranty. Otherwise, the radio is pretty much the same -- note in one of my photos, the WS-1095's bootup display says 1080. Obviously they'll fix that, as well as coming out with frequent software updates, continuing GRE's tradition.

 

[Hooligan]

*I* mentioned a price of about $600, and Wayne didn't respond one way or the other about that, just stating that the suggested retail price had not been set yet.

I didn't see Uniden/Bearcat there -- but based on their crappy BC-536, I had no reason to waste time looking at Uniden/Bearcat anyway. I heard the Bearcat chief propagandist guy was there though.

 

[Boatanchor]

Thanks for the info/picutures/updates

Looking forward to adding a 'practical' remote head scanner (WS1095) to my vehicle.
Never liked the idea of using an 'i' device to remotely control a scanner aka the BCD536HP.

 

[Nasby]

That's a sweet looking scanner.

Glad that Whistler picked up after GRE.

 

[fourthhorseman]

I think what is most disappointing is that there is still no signs of support for DMR or NXDN. Most of the local utilities and some fire rescue in my area are switching to these "other" digital formats. Without these additions, upgrading my scanner is not worth it.

Whistler's not going to sink $$$ into R/D unless they can make profit off the products they have now.
Corporate thinking,If we cant turn the GRE line into a profitable en devour why are we going to go into the red trying to develop new technology...Im sure they would prefer to turn profits From their scanner line into R/D funding for their scanner line..

They already upped the ante by bringing the Ten-Eighty to market..I just might add one to my own stable in the spring,If its available..I need a Digital in my truck....

They are merely trying to get the ball rolling..If scanners are profitable than new options will be considered...
The business model is quite simple..

 

[AA6IO]

That's too bad about no IF output feature on the 1095. Frankly, that's the only advantage I (IMHO) see with my 1080 vs 436HP. I know some of you rave about the 1080 vs 436HP, but I just don't see (hear) it after 4 months of using both here in Los Angeles. My YouTube videos comparing both are when the scanners are stationary. The minute I start driving, the p25 decode on LAPD on the 1080 goes to "Donald Duck." I have compared both in Phoenix as well, and I find the 436HP hands down better on their RWC and Topaz trunking systems.
Was planning on buying a 1095 just to do some head-to-head comparisons with the 536HP. But the lack of IF output and third party software (if the same as 1080) is a big negative for me. I do concede that the remote head would be nice.
Sorry, but my friends at HRO (Anaheim) just a couple of miles away tell me they can't keep the x36HPs in stock that long, but the Whistler's are just pretty much sitting there. Looks like Whistler may have a stand-off situation. They want to see how the scanners will do on the market before putting any R&D into anything. But for the most part, their scanner technology is at least 3 years old with the 1080 and 7-8 years old with their other models.
If Uniden does come out with the analyze/Wi-Fi feature (and I admit that I will only believe it when I see it), then Whistler is going to have a tough road to hoe (IMHO) against the x36HPs in terms of sales. If they don't materialize, maybe a more even story down the line.
Sorry for this rant, but when I just read that there is no IF output on this new 1095, then except for the remote head feature, what is the big deal.
Steve AA6IO

 

[wise871]

I agree, I don't see Whistler investing much into R&D unless there scanner sales show a large profit and interest. Also the increase of encryption, MotoTrbo, NXDN etc will slow sale of $500 plus scanners. Whistler is consider a budget electronic company who normally produces afordable products comapred to major named items. When GRE shut down Whistler saw an opportunity to cash in on an existing market which involved no R&D cost. I can't think of the last time Whistler has been innovative on a new product. Most products are just consumer friendly version of something else. We stood a better chance of new innovation if GRE stayed in the game.

Examples:
Whistlier Radar Detectors -vs- Escort RD.
Whistler Action Camera DVR -vs- GoPro
Whistler Scanner (old GRE rebranded models, nothing new)