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I too would like to see some facts of this event.. I don't know of too many hams that would transmit out of band like that. Sure, there's probably a few out there (I can think of one off the top of my head).

Please do not cite an event without credible and definable proof.

That being said, inquiring minds wanna know
 

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Because of the IL.State Police sending the complaint from the Communications Division to the FCC that ham LOST his license becuase he was out of band, He was not a Police Officer for the state of IL.

I can see that and understand it.

But do you get the point that others are making? OP asked about hanging a mic on a SCANNER, which cannot transmit on any frequency.

We can't figure out why you brought up the bit about Hams when that's not what this thread is about.
 

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I can see that and understand it.

But do you get the point that others are making? OP asked about hanging a mic on a SCANNER, which cannot transmit on any frequency.

We can't figure out why you brought up the bit about Hams when that's not what this thread is about.

And if you stick a feather in your cap, can you truly call it macaroni?
 

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In ham radio all equipment must be type accepted by the fcc.

Your last statement is absolutely wrong. Ham radio equipment is not required to be type accepted.

For example, if you build your own 2 meter transmitter, something that is perfectly legal to do, do you have to get it type accepted by the FCC? A resounding NO. You can legally take an 11 meter radio and convert it to 10 meters, this action voids the type acceptance for Class D CB, but is legal because no type acceptance is required for ham radio equipment. You may take a Part 90 device and use it on ham radio frequencies, assuming you hold the appropriate ham radio license, and be 100% legal, because ham radio requires no type acceptance.

All radios must be type accepted to operate on public service frequencies, and that was the type acceptance bust here (if that was indeed a point in the case), not that the ham radio was not type accepted for ham operation, or that it was modified in any way voiding any prior type acceptance, but rather it had no type acceptance for operation on public service frequencies.

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Sorry, you are WRONG. Simply put if the ham radio is NOT TYPE ACCEPTED BY THE FCC it is not legal to transmit on. All of my ham radio equipment is TYPE accepted by the fcc. What about the illegal cb radios that can be bought at truck stops that have been modified to use on 28Mhz 10 meters by truckers? They are being caught and those radios are not *Type accepted by the FCC* UPS and other truck lines have received letters from the FCC on this operation.Some of the nationwide truck lines have been FINED by the FCC for their drivers operations on these frequencies. I am a Ham radio operator and PROUD to be one.Read the rules for FCC part 97(Not to be confused with CB Part 95).
 

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Sorry, you are WRONG. Simply put if the ham radio is NOT TYPE ACCEPTED BY THE FCC it is not legal to transmit on. All of my ham radio equipment is TYPE accepted by the fcc. What about the illegal cb radios that can be bought at truck stops that have been modified to use on 28Mhz 10 meters by truckers? They are being caught and those radios are not *Type accepted by the FCC* UPS and other truck lines have received letters from the FCC on this operation. Some of the nationwide truck lines have been FINED by the FCC for their drivers operations on these frequencies. I am a Ham radio operator and PROUD to be one. Read the rules for FCC part 97(Not to be confused with CB Part 95).

Be careful with the terms Type Acceptance, Type Certification, and Type Approval.

Possibly every piece of ham radio equipment you yourself own is Type Accepted, but that does not mean all ham radio equipment must be type accepted or it is not legal to transmit on (by the way, much of mine is NOT type accepted, approved, or certified, for ham use and is still legal). Maybe you should read the regulations on import, marketing and sales, as they apply to ham radio equipment. It is accepted for import sale and commercial marketing. Commercial sales are different from the legality of use by a licensed ham issue. A radio (or external power amplifier) might have to be Accepted for sale, but does NOT require it for use, unlike radios under Part 90 or Part 95.

You still have not answered a basic question, if you home build a 2 meter (or any legal ham band) transmitter do you need to have it type accepted to use it legally? How about converting a Class D CB from 27 MHz to the ham 10 meter or 12 meter bands, does that need to be type accepted to be legal? If so what regulation says it is required, and what section defines the steps?

Or are you saying that hams can not modify equipment or build their own equipment? Because if you truly believe this (no home built or modified equipment without type acceptance / approval / certification) I have to ask if you are familiar with the term appliance operator?

Put quite simply, you are incorrect and have taken a little sliver of real data and applied it incorrectly.

All of your ham equipment is FCC type accepted because it is all imported and mass marketed. This does not mean you can not modify it to your hearts content, violating that type acceptance. It does not mean you can not build your own, with no type acceptance at all. All 100% legal as long as you abide by the spectral purity regulations defined in Part 97. I don’t know how to say it any more clear, ham radio transmitters do NOT require Type Acceptance, Approval, or Certification to be legal to use on ham radio frequencies if you hold the appropriate ham license for that band of operation.

Your statement of “Simply put if the ham radio is NOT TYPE ACCEPTED BY THE FCC it is not legal to transmit on.” is incorrect.

Truck stops have been being busted because they sell radios that are “easily converted to Class D CB use”, and that is in violation of Part 95, the regulations governing Class D CB service. So even if they try to sell it as a Type 97 radio the FCC defines it as a Type 95 radio, and those do require Type Acceptance. Truckers have been being busted because they are using non-type accepted radios on CB frequencies, or they have been operating Type 97 radios on frequencies the truckers do not have authority to use.

By the way, it is 100% legal for a ham to use a non-type accepted CB (such as some of those nifty Export Only radios) on 10 meter frequencies, but it is NOT legal for him to use the radio outside his authorized bands.

You say read the Part 97 and learn the rules…I have. But, since you seem so all knowing in this area, will you please quote for me the section of Part 97 that requires ham equipment to be Type Accepted, Approved, or Certified or they are illegal to transmit on? Just one little section number please. Of course, you can not do so because part 97 never says that.

Would you like a quote from the FCCs own web site? This page addresses 60 meter equipment / operation and the new allocations specifically, but makes a categorical statement that I think puts the matter to bed (https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/kdb/forms/FTSSearchResultPage.cfm?id=20293&switch=P ). Under the “Answer” portion, it says “Type Approval is obsolete. Type Approval was replaced with Certification. (Reference 47 C.F.R. Sections 2.907 and Sections 2.1031-2.1060) Part 97 transceivers do not require Certification. (Reference Section 2.1060)”.

Before you respond incorrectly again with how wrong you think I am do yourself a favor, instead of assuming that because your gear is all type accepted that all gear must be type accepted do the research and find the regulation that says ham gear must all be Type Accepted to be used. And answer that simple question about home built transmitters and modified gear, it will open your eyes to your misunderstanding. Reread your statements and my comments, and make sure you are not assuming I am saying something I am not saying.

T!
 

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I am a ham, I can built my own non-type accepted radio and transmit on the ham bands with it all day long as long as I take proper assurance to make sure it is not emitting spurious emissions in accordance with 97.307, or exceeding power limits, or causing interference to other stations, but the FCC recognizes amateur radio operators as not just appliance users, but technicians that understand the workings of a radio and the ability to experiment, develop and contribute to communications as a whole without the need for experimental licenses or type acceptance (which does not exist on the amateur bands, your radios for importation purposes are most likely Part 15 compliant though, and maybe even Part 90 type accepted, and if they were Part 95 type accepted and modified to use on the ham bands that type acceptance is gone).

The "illegal CB radios that can be bought at truck stops" that are using 10m are an issue because they are being marketed for those without a license to use on the ham bands, and moreover illegal because of anything to do with the amateur bands, but because they fail to meet the regulations of the Part 95 CB band, including FCC testing and approval and their use on CB frequencies is illegal.

"UPS and other truck lines" using radios that aren't "type accepted by the FCC", on the business band is illegal because part 90 requires specific testing and approval.

Part 95 requires type acceptance from the FCC
Part 90 requires type acceptance from the FCC
Part 97 requires criteria be met and verify by the control operator
Aircraft radios having at least a shred of something to do with the OPs question are governed by yet another FCC part.

And thus there is no such thing as a Part 97 type accepted radio

Edit: Forgot to mention tried the Pro 106 on the ham bands with a speaker mic plugged into it; it didn't transmit anything, still just a receiver; my logical reasoning would say that holds true on the air band as well;) So as was said you can probable plug a mic in and talk all day, but as a matter of if you're actually talking to anyone, is going to be a completely different story. If you've got an bought a transceiver for the air band and want to talk to them then you're going to need to make sure you have the proper authorization from the Feds for the use of the frequency in the desired manner or you may end up in some hot water.

It would be more interesting to find out what you heard on 123.450 that prompted this and perhaps move it over to the aircraft forum, as the chatter on 123.45 tends to be of high entertainment value.
 

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Tim,

I will be willing bet you that any FCC compliance label you find on any of your amateur radio equipment will certify Part 15 not Part 97 compliance.
 

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Simply put STAY OFF OF FREQUENCIES THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A LICENSE FOR. IF you have a ham radio license as in the ham in IL. who called State Police for a drunk driver did do the right thing but he paid a price and lost his ham radio license from the FCC. He used is fcc call sign on a nation wide police frequency.This was a issue that the FCC found that the operator was WRONG and now that operator cannot get his license back. If the truck drivers are not *ham radio operators* they should know that these frequencies do not belong to them. 28.035 is a great frequency to listen to this all across the nation. Again those radios being sold at Truck stops are not *FCC Certified for use in the USA." Ham Radio News line has been putting out to listen to 28.035 for the truck drivers across the nation. There are no stickers on the 10 meter radios that are sold at truck stops that say anything about part 95 or Part 97.Please feel free to go to any truck stop open a box on a CB Breaker 19 radio and look.NO Sticker . Part 15 has noting to do with part 97. Part 15 deals with a total different issue and not with Ham Radio which is part 97.If you wish to LOOSE your ham radio license use your call sign on a police, fire, or ems frequency and you will loose it very quickly.The FCC has made arrest in a California case for a ham that was getting on a police channel and was saying on the air that he would kill any police officer that came to his door. His equipment was modified to go*Out of band* and this was a illegal transciever.The ham is now doing federal jail time.His wife also was involved and she is also doing federal time.Both man and wife lost there ham radio licenses.Also all the equipment was taken into the property room for EVIDENCE to show the court that both operators did.Also a tape from the Police Department Dispatch was played for the court and the voice was a MATCH for both operators.Why would someone plug a speaker mike into ANY scanner and tell someone that they can talk on 123.45 or 155.475?. This is like going to a ham fest and walking around talking into a speaker mike calling *Breaker 19 anyone at the hamfest go a copy on me* Sounds like a TROLL to me.
 
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Confuzzed, You need to ask Devalina why he would ask such a question.Sounds like as troll to me.Everone knows that a scanner CANNOT TRANSMIT on ANY FREQUENCY. IF he wants to talk to someone he could get a Handheld cb on Ch 19 and say *Breaker One-Nine 10-4 good buddy*
 

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This was a story I heard on ham radio News line back in 2011. News line tells it the way it is and this was a true story.Never get on ANY Frequency and tell local law enforcement on their dispatch channel.The man and woman LOST their ham radio license from the FCC.Tapes are a great tool to play in court.Couple is currently doing federal jail time over this.
 

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Confuzzed, You need to ask Devalina why he would ask such a question.Sounds like as troll to me.Everone knows that a scanner CANNOT TRANSMIT on ANY FREQUENCY. IF he wants to talk to someone he could get a Handheld cb on Ch 19 and say *Breaker One-Nine 10-4 good buddy*

We're confused that while this original poster spoke about a microphone on a SCANNER and you made the false and verbose set of assumptions that this (by some wayward logic) involved transmitting on our amateur radio allocation - eliciting your posts that had nothing to do with a scanner or an aircraft use frequency. Your only true reading was that this was a trolling expedition - and you fell into the pungi stick trap. A simple "No - scanners cannot transmit" would have sufficed or you could have ignored the OP all together. At least there was no blame directed at those damned no coders infesting our beloved hobby or selling illegal CB radios to the great unwashed masses...
 
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