147.520

[WA9JGB]

Several airplane pilots are chit chatting on 147.520. When I asked for there call sign one advised KC9127
They are flying over the Johnson County area now. At least 3 maybe 4 on the frequency. From what I have gathered they are local and use it all the time. One of the names is Brandon. They also may be in hot air ballooons.
147.520 Ham Radio

KC9LGZ

 

[usswood]

Several airplane pilots are chit chatting on 147.520. When I asked for there call sign one advised KC9127
They are flying over the Johnson County area now. At least 3 maybe 4 on the frequency. From what I have gathered they are local and use it all the time. One of the names is Brandon. They also may be in hot air ballooons.
147.520 Ham Radio

KC9LGZ

sounds like FCC violators haha : )

 

[ScanWI]

Advise

I would Advise them that they are out of their band and if it continues you can file a complaint with the FCC

 

[jrw14493]

Sounds like it could be someone like this guy selling these on eBay. Notice what the mobile is and what he says he uses them for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/VHF-Radios-Moto...wItem&pt=2_Way_Radios_FRS&hash=item35aa8a9242

 

[AK9R]

When I asked for there call sign one advised KC9127.

"KC9127" is probably not a valid U.S.-based civilian aircraft identification.

See this page from the FAA's web site:

Forming an N-Number

And this page from Wikipedia:

Aircraft registration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you would like to look up the tail number of a U.S.-based civilian aircraft, you can do it here:

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

 

[W2NJS]

KC9127 is not in the FCC database for radio licenses. It's also not an aircraft registration number which has to begin with "N" for US aircraft. What sequence they assign for balloons I don't know but maybe that's the key.

In any event, he's a bootlegger and you are correct to warn him off the frequency. It shouldn't be too difficult to track him down if you want to take the trouble to do so. One time years ago I had this guy in a B52 bomber come on 75-meter sideband and want to talk, no license, of course, but he did stupidly announce his USAF tail number, which I wrote down and then told him to get off the frequency and stay off. My request was greeted with dead silence so I guess he understood. I hate ham cops but in a blatant case such as that, as well as the one you describe, one has to do something right away to try to correct the situation.

 

[autovon]

For those of you who talked to the unlicensed on the radio, you have broken the law just as equal in the eyes of the FCC as folks you are complaining about.

 

[W2NJS]

Talking to bootleggers...

For those of you who talked to the unlicensed on the radio, you have broken the law just as equal in the eyes of the FCC as folks you are complaining about.

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Izzat so? I challenge you to cite the regulation that says it can't be done. Remember I have a right to be on 147.52 and the other guy doesn't.

 

[kb0nly]

For those of you who talked to the unlicensed on the radio, you have broken the law just as equal in the eyes of the FCC as folks you are complaining about.

Bullsquat...

One of the things about Ham Radio is its pretty well self regulated, and if we can't tell someone to get off or request identification then we can't determine if the user is genuine.

I also want to see the Part 97 regulation saying that we can't talk to a unlicensed station when inquiring about their identity.

I say report them...

 

[gewecke]

The johnson county airport would probably have their transponder data,including tail id at the time you heard them on 146.520. It's not hard to run aircraft tail numbers through the FAA database.
n9zas

 

[IndyRick]

I was down that way last weekend, and there were a half dozen or so fellas flying in powered parachutes, just east of 65 near an industrial park....it very well might have been them. I do know that they use handheld radios to communicate with each other, however, I just assumed they were using aircraft handhelds...but maybe not the case!

 

[ecps92]

The call-sign is probably expired
AirCraft licenses [FCC] typically were Two letters followed by 4-5 digits.
The same as many LMR Licenses

Unfortunately the FCC licenses jump from [anyone with an OLD Fiche?]
KC8787 to KC9218

Wasn't there an FCC DB that listed the purged licenses? from the Early 2000's Audits?

KC9127 is not in the FCC database for radio licenses. It's also not an aircraft registration number which has to begin with "N" for US aircraft. What sequence they assign for balloons I don't know but maybe that's the key.

In any event, he's a bootlegger and you are correct to warn him off the frequency. It shouldn't be too difficult to track him down if you want to take the trouble to do so. One time years ago I had this guy in a B52 bomber come on 75-meter sideband and want to talk, no license, of course, but he did stupidly announce his USAF tail number, which I wrote down and then told him to get off the frequency and stay off. My request was greeted with dead silence so I guess he understood. I hate ham cops but in a blatant case such as that, as well as the one you describe, one has to do something right away to try to correct the situation.

 

[mancow]

Everyone complains about not having anything interesting to listen to but when something pops up there's a clamor to run and tattle like four year olds. :roll:

 

[WA9JGB]

147.520 not 146.520

Everyone complains about not having anything interesting to listen to but when something pops up there's a clamor to run and tattle like four year olds. :roll:

I agree to a certain extent. I enjoy listening and finding new comms. Someone transmiting without a license on a frequency I am licensed on is unacceptable. I did not have enough info at the time to report anything. I listened for about an hour and never heard anything. I also drove the area looking and did NOT see anything in the sky. They were probably long gone out of my area. This was on 147.520 not 146.520. Someone above mentioned 146.520. I'm sure they have moved to another frequency close. I scan all the time, so maybe next time I will be able to gather further info.

KC9LGZ

 

[WA9JGB]

They Are Back.

I am on the East side of Franklin close to I-65 and there are two of them talking about getting ready to go up right now. 147.520

 

[WA9JGB]

Tuesday 8pm

On my way home from dinner tonight I see a blue thing in the sky. It's on one those engine powered parachute looking things. It was right around Whiteland Rd and I-65. I said hhmmmm....... I wonder if he is one of the guys I heard on 147.520. I turned that frequency in on my vfo and sure enough it was them. Same voices really strong. It was funny that even though I tried to run them off they are dumb enough to be on the same frequency again and again. Has anyone else seen or heard them in Johnson County?
It's almost every evening after 6pm. I think by what I'm hearing that it's the instructor(s) talking to new pilots.

 

[mastr]

So, you heard someone on "your" frequency and ran them off. Then listened for an hour and drove around looking for them with no results. And then say

...Someone transmiting without a license on a frequency I am licensed on is unacceptable...

Why? Did they stop you from using the frequency? Prevent some rare DX contact, or what?

The FCC is in a position to call the transmissions you talk of unacceptable, and do something about them. But you, nor I (both presumably law abiding hams) can't do much except tell the FCC about it. We probably shouldn't even talk to them, unless absolutely sure that our transmission will not "interfere" with their communications. Check this out-

Part97.101(d) General standards

No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.

Note that it says "any radio communication or signal" , with no reference to licensing at all.

If one intends to be the ham police, enforcement starts at home.

 

[WA9JGB]

So, you heard someone on "your" frequency and ran them off. Then listened for an hour and drove around looking for them with no results. And then say Why? Did they stop you from using the frequency? Prevent some rare DX contact, or what?

The FCC is in a position to call the transmissions you talk of unacceptable, and do something about them. But you, nor I (both presumably law abiding hams) can't do much except tell the FCC about it. We probably shouldn't even talk to them, unless absolutely sure that our transmission will not "interfere" with their communications. Check this out-

Part97.101(d) General standards

No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.

Note that it says "any radio communication or signal" , with no reference to licensing at all.

If one intends to be the ham police, enforcement starts at home.

LMAO. I love it.

 

[WA9JGB]

**Why? Did they stop you from using the frequency? Prevent some rare DX contact, or what?**

Nope they didn't stop me from doing anything. And your point??

**The FCC is in a position to call the transmissions you talk of unacceptable, and do something about them. But you, nor I (both presumably law abiding hams) can't do much except tell the FCC about it. We probably shouldn't even talk to them, unless absolutely sure that our transmission will not "interfere" with their communications**

So I shouldn't ask for a call sign after listening for 30+ minutes to 3-4 guys that OBVIOUSLY do not have a license? And you say your a Ham? No way.

**We probably shouldn't even talk to them, unless absolutely sure that our transmission will not "interfere" with their communications**

Interfere? I could care less if I interfere with an illegal transmission. I had no intention of wasting my gas driving around for a fight or argument. I can all of that right here in the comfort of my own home.

So tell me this.....Let's say you are a ham. If you heard 3 or 4 guys on your local repeater while you were monitoring you would not ask for a call sign once you figured out that they were not hams?
You know what you are probably right. I'm sure you wouldn't ask either.

 

[canav844]

Pass it along to the ARRL, as it's clearly a pattern and probably a commercial entity given that instruction is involved, they can have an Official Observer document it and they can make written notification, then if the problem persists tale legal action with the FCC. I'd almost bet the students are fed a few lines of BS and don't know any better.

Conversations on 147.520 may very well be interfering with communications on the more common 147.525 simplex frequency.

Always amazing how quick people on RR are to defend the pirate.