5G / Radar altimeter fix deadline will be allowed to end

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FCC Lawyers playing Engineer once again. They should be disbarred and told to "stay in your lane"..
You know 5G works so bad on my phone in the Philadelphia area on T-Mobile, that I was forced into by Sprint, that I was forced into by WorldCom.. I got my first cell phone in the early 90s, even though company had them in the late '80s, bag phones, mobile phones and Bricks, now that I'm back on 4G LTE manually, phone works great. Go figure.
 
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You know 5G works so bad on my phone in the Philadelphia area on T-Mobile, that I was forced into by Sprint, that I was forced into by WorldCom.. I got my first cell phone in the early 90s, even though company had them in the late '80s, bag phones, mobile phones and Bricks, now that I'm back on 4G LTE manually, phone works great. Go figure.
I was driving along a major route through town the other day and spotted these ugly black 5G poles for the first time. In one location two poles less than a half block from each other near a college campus. It is going to be ridiculous. I hope they don't decide to put them inside our subdivision.
 

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I do keep trying my 5G to see if there's any kind of improvement or advantage to it. Absolutely not. I just manually put my phone on 4G LTE and it works as good as ever. Can't make any sense of it but I don't care, I just want that phone to work right.
 

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I do keep trying my 5G to see if there's any kind of improvement or advantage to it. Absolutely not. I just manually put my phone on 4G LTE and it works as good as ever. Can't make any sense of it but I don't care, I just want that phone to work right.

Depending on what bands they are using for their 5G, it can be -very- short range, as in a few hundred yards if you are lucky.

I like technology, I like my mobile phone, but as long as I can stream videos, that's all I need. LTE has enough G's to suit my needs. I certainly don't need another G to make me feel special.
I'm not using my phone as a data center, and I'm not hosting a streaming video service off it.
If I needed a FIXED wireless data service, I might be interested, but that's it.

I've been running just fine on a 100meg link at home for years, way more capacity than what I need, even with a teenager in the house.
 

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T-Mobile has turned up N71, migrated the old Sprint/Clearwire N41 and this is what I get inside my house, on 5G. No complaints and they don't play games with the bill like AT&Turd and Verizon. No planes fall out of the sky and I am within 8 miles of an airport:
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It's been awhile since places started flying around the spooky 5G signals, has anything detrimental happened?
There have been anomalies with autoflight and navigation systems yes..you can search the NASA ASRS database to see some of these, but a lot of reports internal to companies aren't in there. We have NOTAMS limiting what approaches you can do to certain airports without the 5G AMOC. This is why nothing detrimental has happened...that and the fact that pilots are trained on these failures. imagine when we have all these pilotless planes flying around that are at 1000' and the computer thinks it is at 30' so it brings the power to idle. Yes, that's happened to me.
 

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Depending on what bands they are using for their 5G, it can be -very- short range, as in a few hundred yards if you are lucky.

I like technology, I like my mobile phone, but as long as I can stream videos, that's all I need. LTE has enough G's to suit my needs. I certainly don't need another G to make me feel special.
I'm not using my phone as a data center, and I'm not hosting a streaming video service off it.
If I needed a FIXED wireless data service, I might be interested, but that's it.

I've been running just fine on a 100meg link at home for years, way more capacity than what I need, even with a teenager in the house.
Sounds like me. Just because it's there, doesn't mean I have to buy it. I have 100 at my house also, and I'm still using my LTE phone as well, and it is more than enough. I don't like throwing money at stuff I don't need nor want. Maybe down the road when I have to.
 

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There have been anomalies with autoflight and navigation systems yes..you can search the NASA ASRS database to see some of these, but a lot of reports internal to companies aren't in there. We have NOTAMS limiting what approaches you can do to certain airports without the 5G AMOC. This is why nothing detrimental has happened...that and the fact that pilots are trained on these failures. imagine when we have all these pilotless planes flying around that are at 1000' and the computer thinks it is at 30' so it brings the power to idle. Yes, that's happened to me.
I have to wonder about mountain tops with 5G and radio altimeters barfing when planes are trying to clear the summit.
 

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There have been anomalies with autoflight and navigation systems yes..you can search the NASA ASRS database to see some of these, but a lot of reports internal to companies aren't in there. We have NOTAMS limiting what approaches you can do to certain airports without the 5G AMOC. This is why nothing detrimental has happened...that and the fact that pilots are trained on these failures. imagine when we have all these pilotless planes flying around that are at 1000' and the computer thinks it is at 30' so it brings the power to idle. Yes, that's happened to me.
Years ago (before 2003) I was a passenger flying into (on final) to an airport, and the phone of the guy in front of me rang, all I could think of was what a jerk to not turn the phone off and not turn it on until taxiing.

I was the last person off of the airplane and I overheard the pilot mentioning the ILS needs to be checked since there was a strong wavering of the signal for a few moments while on final, I regret not pointing out the phone situation to him.

My point is that not all anomalies get reported.

My guess is that the ?star-link? satellite service interfering with GPS is being treated the same way.

(The lets count how many people complain to see if it's a real problem technique).

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Years ago (before 2003) I was a passenger flying into (on final) to an airport, and the phone of the guy in front of me rang, all I could think of was what a jerk to not turn the phone off and not turn it on until taxiing.

I was the last person off of the airplane and I overheard the pilot mentioning the ILS needs to be checked since there was a strong wavering of the signal for a few moments while on final, I regret not pointing out the phone situation to him.

My point is that not all anomalies get reported.

My guess is that the ?star-link? satellite service interfering with GPS is being treated the same way.

(The lets count how many people complain to see if it's a real problem technique).

Thanks
Joel
yeah people always would say "oh phones don't interfere" because of that mythbusters episode, but I had many instances back in those days where I would hear cell phones through my headset..kinda like you could hear through the computer speakers when it was about to ring. I haven't heard that in a long time, but those older phones really did mess with things a little.
 

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Biden Admin Won’t Extend Deadline to Fix 5G Aviation Issues; Telecoms Agree to Extend “Voluntary Mitigation Measures​


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A little over 2 years ago, almost 3, the ATT cell tower about a mile from my humble domain went offline while the techs installed 5G antennas. It took them about 3 days to complete the installation.
Last August the techs were up there again changing the antennas. Curious I took my golf cart to the fenced in area around the tower. There was a tech inside moving things around and I asked him what was going on. He said we're changing the antennas. I said that someone just put 5G antennas up recently. Did they go bad? I asked. No, he said, we took the 5G antennas down and installed 4G enhanced antennas. Couldn't get much out of him after that.
We live, however, on one of the approaches to Atlanta Hartsfield airport, about 120 miles away. I think that was the reason for the change.
Our phone service did improve, though.
One more thing, seeing the antennas laying on the ground, or their covers, those things are 15 to 20 feet long and about 18 inches wide. I wish I could have looked inside one.
 

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A little over 2 years ago, almost 3, the ATT cell tower about a mile from my humble domain went offline while the techs installed 5G antennas. It took them about 3 days to complete the installation.
Last August the techs were up there again changing the antennas. Curious I took my golf cart to the fenced in area around the tower. There was a tech inside moving things around and I asked him what was going on. He said we're changing the antennas. I said that someone just put 5G antennas up recently. Did they go bad? I asked. No, he said, we took the 5G antennas down and installed 4G enhanced antennas. Couldn't get much out of him after that.
We live, however, on one of the approaches to Atlanta Hartsfield airport, about 120 miles away. I think that was the reason for the change.
Our phone service did improve, though.
One more thing, seeing the antennas laying on the ground, or their covers, those things are 15 to 20 feet long and about 18 inches wide. I wish I could have looked inside one.
That's kind of nice, to me that means, if you ignore the airport part (120 miles is a little far for being concerned about radar altimeters, or I misunderstand the use of the radar altimeters) then the performance of 5G may have been oversold (nice data rates but too short of a range). If the 120 miles is a typo, then it could be a combination of the issues. I personally hope it was just oversold.

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That's kind of nice, to me that means, if you ignore the airport part (120 miles is a little far for being concerned about radar altimeters, or I misunderstand the use of the radar altimeters) then the performance of 5G may have been oversold (nice data rates but too short of a range). If the 120 miles is a typo, then it could be a combination of the issues. I personally hope it was just oversold.

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No, 120 miles to Atlanta, also, 35 miles to Augusta Regional and 10 miles to Aiken Airport. We get lots of military flights, too. I forgot to add, 45 miles to Columbia, SC airport.
 

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I wish I could have looked inside one.
It might have been like looking at the Ark of the Covenant in Raiders of the Lost Ark. ;)

A lot of modern cell sites use "antennas" that are actually the entire RF package built into a plastic radome. They run a LAN cable and power, or power over Ethernet, up the tower to the RF package. Saves the RF loss of having the RF amps on the ground and the antennas at the end of the coax.
 
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