700MHz 5G Rollout Crushed My Signal

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adamfancher

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Up until December, I was getting a strong signal off the local tower for my local P25 system, was able to hear a ton of calls and record a lot of valuable data.

Upon revisiting my setup (which has not changed in the slightest bit including antenna placement) I found that I couldn't get anywhere near a strong enough signal to even receive data on the control channel.

Someone in my area mentioned that T-Mobile just rolled out their 700MHz 5G network and it's likely that is causing the problem.

I have also observed that the peak has all kinds of noise on the sidebands on the spectrum analyzer that were not there before.

If anyone has any ideas on how to get past this through filtering, amplification, or any other method, it would be greatly appreciated.

Currently I am running with a 30dB low-noise amplifier, and being somewhat of a novice, I will ask the Bart Simpson question: If you put a low noise amplifier through another low noise amplifier with the same gain, is that something that could help, or am I trying to shatter glass with daisy-chained megaphones?
 

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Try it without the amplifier and see what you get. You may need to drop the gain, as the amplifier is amplifying both the desired control channel signal and the undesired 5G signals.
 

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T-Mobile has been on 700mhz, LTE for a while anyways.

Are you monitoring a simulcast system?
Are you using a scanner that property handles simulcast ?

700mhz for T-Mobile is generally on when somebody has a weak signal when they can't receive a higher frequency for example the 2140mhz band 66.

I haven't noticed such interference from T-Mobile in my situation.
 

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Try it without the amplifier and see what you get. You may need to drop the gain, as the amplifier is amplifying both the desired control channel signal and the undesired 5G signals.

Yeah, if it is an amplifier that has an adjustment knob you can use it to attenuate.
This I've found helpful for some things.
 

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I believe T-Mobile is actually 600 MHz, but that really doesn't matter. I'd agree that the amp may be the issue.
 

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Yeah, if it is an amplifier that has an adjustment knob you can use it to attenuate.
This I've found helpful for some things.
It is possible that the amplifier is getting overloaded and the gain circuitry has gone past the state of linearity.
 

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I believe T-Mobile is actually 600 MHz, but that really doesn't matter. I'd agree that the amp may be the issue.

Extended Range (XR) 5G
  • Frequencies that can provide XR 5G:
    • Band n71 (600 MHz)
Ultra Capacity (UC) 5G
  • Frequencies that can provide UC 5G:
    • Band n41 (2.5 GHz)
    • Band n258 (24 GHz)
    • Band n260 (39 GHz)
    • Band n261 (28 GHz)
Extended Range 4G LTE
  • Frequencies that can provide Extended Range LTE
    • Band 12 (700 MHz)
    • Band 71 (600 MHz)
 

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Extended Range (XR) 5G
  • Frequencies that can provide XR 5G:
    • Band n71 (600 MHz)
Ultra Capacity (UC) 5G
  • Frequencies that can provide UC 5G:
    • Band n41 (2.5 GHz)
    • Band n258 (24 GHz)
    • Band n260 (39 GHz)
    • Band n261 (28 GHz)
Extended Range 4G LTE
  • Frequencies that can provide Extended Range LTE
    • Band 12 (700 MHz)
    • Band 71 (600 MHz)
Thanks for the clarity, good info!
 

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If you had a T-Mobile or one of their MVNO phones that's active on their network, capable of these bands, with an app called Network Cell Info, you could see what band is active.
 
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