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If anyone would like to monitor, confirm, and submit a correction to the YRCS:
TG 1104 should be ADOT ALERT West Valley Ops
TG 1105 should be ADOT ALERT East Valley Ops
Currently, they are Ops (1104) and Tac (1105) in the DB.
 

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I've found that listening to ALERT gives you much more detail about lane restrictions/closures, and frequently sooner, than the TV stations do.
ADOT blog about ALERT:
http:// adotblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/on-alert.html
 

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I need to reprogram my scanner so I'll also change the alpha names to the above and let you know. BTW - I agree these TGs and good to have. Several times I've been able to miss a traffic night mare on the Loop or I-10.
 

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There was an early morning closure on the 60 in Mesa Saturday morning involving a dump truck and one or more vehicles. It rated nothing more than a crawler on ABC15's morning show.
 

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OK, I changed mine to East/West. I'll listen awhile and see if I can confirm. Seems like I was getting the most hits off North Mountain, so I deleted the TGs from Thompson Pk & South Mountain. They were busy awhile ago helping with 2 different accidents on I-10 about Sarival Rd
 

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Although I don't spend a lot of time in the Phoenix area listening to ADOT in the valley has saved me huge delays 3-4 times. My wife's family lives there and I have stayed for a month at a time on a couple of occasions. I programmed the YRCS prior to our last trip in April and never heard anything. I'm going to check my programming to see if I made some type of mistake or replace it using the import function.

The most memorable event where listening to ADOT saved us time and aggravation occurred on a Friday night around Christmas time in the 90's. The 101 was being constructed on the east side of Scottsdale and the western portion was still on the drawing boards. Something had happened in the tunnel. ALERT was on the air and we started picking them up west of the 85 and we heard every detail. As we got closer and still west of the enormous traffic jam a unit traveling westbound on 10 that needed to get to the scene located somewhere near us, was advised what lane on the 10 to stay in, when to merge right to get on southbound 17 and, of course, to turn westbound (northerly in that stretch) on the 10 to get back to the tunnel. The 202 had been constructed as far as the 101 and the 101 as far as 90th and the status of those routes was broadcast. I had already figured on what route to take, but given the big mess I debated getting off and taking local streets all the way across the valley. Using what we heard we sailed through with a minimum of stop and go traffic in that lane the other ADOT was advised to take. When we arrived in Scottsdale the family figured they wouldn't see us for 2 more hours or more.

In California I had a more significant incident where listening to Caltrans as the DOT is called here. We were driving through the Palmdale/Lancaster area and began to pick up traffic relating to a major accident on California 14 south of Palmdale involving a gasoline tanker overturned on on fire fully involved. It was in a stretch where even the two detours were jammed. Again I heard the locations of the stopped traffic on each side, quickly planned a route in my head as to how to get around the mess and continue to our destination in the west L.A. area. This time the savings in time was closer to 3-4 hours as the fire occurred on a bridge and due to safety concerns about the structure was closed until the following morning. The detours did not clear up until 2200-2400 and we encountered the incident at 1800.

There is a considerable delay and some loss in detail when traffic information is broadcast by radio and TV stations. DOT traffic, no matter what state is involved, is live. People who work for DOT's are more chatty on the air and that is why their reports are much more detailed than what you get listening to DPS or highway patrol agencies.

I don't think the average scanner listener, more likely most listeners, understand the value of understanding and monitoring DOT agencies. I have a hard time getting people to discuss these agencies much. My threads don't garner much discussion when I bring up the subject. I'm not much for listening to law enforcement on a regular basis except at home and with state highway patrols when traveling. I'm not very interested in threads concerning county and local law enforcement agencies. When I see at thread like this one or those involving fire, natural resource agencies and DOT's I'm there front and center.
 

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I wonder how many, if any, other states have units like ALERT, that are specifically trained to provide lane/roadway closure expertise at an incident, (and use specific TG's/frequencies) or if they rely more on just regular employees and general use ch's?
 

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And the NW Valley also has MCDOT's REACT for arterial streets. It was started by a former ALERT Captain who went to MCDOT from ADOT.
http://www.apwa.net/Resources/Reporter/Articles/2004/9/Would-you-ask-a-surgeon-to-do-your-taxes
 

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But while I have heard REACT on ALERT's TG's during an incident on I-10 in Buckeye once, REACT doesn't appear to have it's own TG's on the County's radio system. They use pagers, cell phones w/PTT, and mobile computers.
 

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I can chime in on a few other states, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine & the real upstate New York. In these cases the Fire Departments provide traffic control and hazard mitigation at major crash scenes. I know personally as Fire Chief for my community many times we spend many hours on crash scenes assisting Law Enforcement. However, the thought process is a bit different. We went by the guideline that the "hazard" was present till the vehicles were removed and the crash site was rendered safe to traffic.
 

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Yea, ALERT and REACT are there to protect the firefirefighters and police officers, and to relieve them to do the more important job of taking care of the scene itself, rather than traffic control.
 

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It also gets the officers back on patrol quicker to respond to other incidents, than they would if they were responsible to stay on scene for traffic control.
 

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The urban Caltrans Districts may have something like ALERT, but the rural one I live in use local section (one per maintenance station) personnel and if needed due to the size and type of the incident district office personnel. There are pre-organized hazmat and chain control teams, the latter of which use district personnel as section employees are usually too busy to do so because they are removing snow from the highways.
 

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Well, I believe I can confirm the East/West TGs. On the way to work yesterday evening the East TG featured traffic restrictions on I-10 at the Sky Harbor Exits and the West TG featured a mud slide (yup I saw it with my own eyes) on I-10 just east of the Loop 101 ramp.
 

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Caltrans section personnel respond to nearly every accident with injuries to make sure there aren't any highway maintenance issues or liabilities involved. They also provide traffic control so that CHP officers don't have to pull units from other beats, leaving them uncovered. This is stated from a rural perspective as I spent little time in the urban megalopolises the state seems so known for.

What I like about the ADOT procedure is their use of different talkgroups. You can put them in as priorities, attach an alarm tone to them, make the backlight flash, etc. to bring their activation to your attention. You learn about major incidents that may affect your route very easily.

I lived in Arizona from 1972-1978 in Flagstaff with 2 1/2 of those at NAU. We've thought of moving to Payson to be closer to my wife's family. We decided we really can't leave the eastern Sierra because it's so spectacular and there is a lot of water here even at a southern latitude. Live streams and true meadows, huge granite escarpments and lots of snow to play in. In the backcountry so many mosquitos at times that you could cut the swarms up with a chainsaw. The average snowfall at my house is just 14" less than the record snowfall year of 1973 for Flagstaff. We've spent more than half of our lives here and know so many people and that keeps us here as well.

Arizona is different and not always appreciated by those who don't know it. I've traveled, camped and backpacked most of Arizona with the exception of the southeast portion of the state. I love traveling around the state and viewing the diversity of vegetation and landforms. The Mogollon Rim is an incredible feature as is the forest that grows so vigorously at the top of the rim. The Grand Canyon is unparalleled, especially when you strap on a pack and travel in its wonderful isolation. The Arizona Strip is wide open and remote, Montana can't claim to have all of the big sky country. Discovering the Mt. Trumble area is great as this is somewhat of a surprise given the more arid land around it. The Slickrock country of northern Arizona and southern Utah is like nothing else I've seen. The weirdness of Sedona's culture (vortex of energy for the universe and all that) is beyond some of the most bizarre enclaves in California. I'm so glad it is relatively close to us.

Except for the Phoenix RWC, scanning Arizona is relatively easy. We will travel there again at Christmas and hopefully this time I will pick up ADOT. I appreciate all the work all of you do to keep me up to date with the radio systems there.
 
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Yea, I wish I had the time and money to explore the state. I've been to the Grand Canyon, the Painted Desert/Petrified Forest, and Saguaro National Monument once each since '84 when we moved here.
IIRC, Pima County is unmonitorable without a computer.
 

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And much of Yuma City and County LE have gone encrypted to my understanding. So while the RWC/TOPAZ RWC are difficult to monitor, and the Phoenix PD C-decks have gone encrypted, it can still be monitored.
But we're off topic.
 

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Now I'd like to figure out who the other ADOT units are that respond to incidents alongside ALERT. Like 71David who it sounds like drives a vehicle with an arrow board. The ADOT callsigns in the SWFD-10 seem out of date.
 
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