Antenna Gain Vs. Distance????

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zonian149

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Maybe a stupid question (no such thing as stupid questions just stupid people:mad: ) is it possible to equate antenna gain with distance a signal can be received. For instance I want to build a 4 element J-Beam antenna and I should get about 6 dBd gain. I have a signal (wireless mike) that I can pick up about 1/2 mile away. My question is how much farther can I pick up the wireless mike based on 6 dBd of gain? I am trying to decide if building the antenna would be a waste of time. I plan to put it on a rotor. I am currently using a discone antenna.--Gary
 

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No, there is no 'hard and fast' rule. It depends on your RF environment (what signals are hitting your radio), terrain, radio quality, coax quality, antenna match, etc, etc.

For what it's worth, discones often have somewhat high lobes and you very well may have better luck with a beam as its radiation pattern is usually more concentrated towards the horizon.
 

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The only antenna value that SERIOUSLY affects range, in most cases, is antenna height.

If you're not line of sight, the signal goes away completely. No amount of preamps, high gain antennas, or good coax will compensate for 'no signal'.

A 5 watt handietalkie can talk to another 5 watt handietalkie 200 miles away... if one of them is on the space shuttle, and thus, in direct line of sight. And that with pretty poor antenna, too!

Gain antennas can help with signals that are present, but weak. They can also sometimes help you find a reflection of the desired signal from something not in the expected direction, but up high.

But your actual expected range is 95% or more purely due to height of the transmitting antenna, height of your antenna, and lack of hills/trees/buildings in between that block line of sight.

Sometimes atmospheric conditions can cause signals to 'bend' a bit (tropospheric ducting) and can cause VHF signals to travel hundreds of miles. But you can't count on it, day to day.

In most city areas, you'll get more 'help' from adding an FM Broadcast trap to the antenna line than you will from changing to a 'gain' antenna, and thus reducing the front end overload FM broadcasters tend to cause to scanners in any major city.

This doesn't say a 'good' antenna can't help... but it isn't magic, it won't give you a signal where there isn't one to be had. Probably the only area of listening where a good gain antenna (of the proper circular polarization) is especially needed is monitoring military UHF satellites, as they are very weak signals, even though they ARE 'line of sight'.

Your wireless mike in particular, might benefit some from a gain antenna. However, the MOST you can expect is double the range, to 1 mile, for 6 db gain over current. Wireless mikes are intended for no more than 100 foot range, if operated legally. They are very low power, with poor antennas at best. The discone is probably not very good for receiving it, though. Given the low height of the wireless mike antenna, most of your problem is probably buildings and trees between you and the mike, which will degrade the signal badly.
 
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It is possible to calculate some of your request with simple online radio distance programs. The free programs will only calculate free space loss and do not take ground reflection and phase cancellation into account, which can degrade a radio link anywhere from 6 to 20dB. Here is a link to one useful calculator:
http://www.rfsolutions.com/rfcalc1.htm
You can estimate the radio horizon, path loss and tell it how much transmit power you have and it will give you expected receive levels. Again, there will be factors beyond what this program will do that can eat up some range. At least you can input your known parameters and see if it agrees with what you already get. Then add that 6dB of antenna gain and see what happens. Good luck.
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Thanks everyone for all the good info. I think I will go ahead and build this 4 element J-Beam since I have some copper pipe and and the other misc parts on hand. I was hoping for more than 6 dBd gain but since it is only 4 elements and quess I will have to live with it. I am mailing doing it for the fun/experience and I am limited on how long I can make it. A 12 element beam would be great but not enough room. I am at a relatively high location of the area I monitor. I was hoping to maybe pick up the wireless mikes at about 5 miles, but I think that is not realistic. That is how far away the area of drugs, shootings, stabbings, murders are from my residence. prcguy, thanks for the link I will check that out. A lot of the fun with scanners is trying something different. I also have a TV antenna mounted vertically on a rotor that works good (not great) that is how I first found I could pick up the wireless mikes a half mile away, which led me to try to come up with better beam type antenna. Thanks again everyone for all the comments/suggestions.--Gary
 
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