Approved Cell Networks Public Safety

[RonBon]

Are only certain carriers approved for public safety?
Verizon and Sprint are the only 2 that meet my.qualifications for redundency and dependable acess.
All other carriers cannot roam freely no matter what plan or phone you have.
Verizon and Sprint are the only with roaming agreement's.
All other networks have proven to overload and stop distributing workload.
I would buy slrint for the high speed modem for your vehicle on top of fhe HPD modem you have.


FIRSTNET?

 

[MTS2000des]

When you say "approved", approved by what agency or accrediting body? All the major carriers/cartels offer WPS, and even a couple of smaller regional players:

https://www.dhs.gov/wireless-priority-service-wps
https://www.dhs.gov/wps-carriers

Verizon and Sprint are the only 2 that meet my.qualifications for redundency and dependable acess.

and what qualifications are those, other than what you made up or that only exist in your mind?

All other carriers cannot roam freely no matter what plan or phone you have.
Verizon and Sprint are the only with roaming agreement's.

This is not true. All domestic carriers offer roaming, roaming agreements do differ by market, customer, calling plan, and handset capability. Cite your source that says Verizon and Sprint are superior than other carriers in this respect

All other networks have proven to overload and stop distributing workload.

Facts? or just more conjecture?

FIRSTNET?

Not even relevant to this discussion.

 

[RonBon]

Sprint is the only carrier allowed to utilize all its radios. Up to 8 now with spark. There should be one agency setting standards. I have a button that jumps me over to verizons 1xrtt and evdo rev a network. Conjecture....if its not on paper its not allowed. Sprint looks to be the feds choice.

 

[Iwright45]

overload

During situations in central VA over the last couple of years there has been a real problem with prioritizing of communications needs on the cellular systems. The systems have become overloaded and locked up, preventing any call completion on a reliable basis. This occurred regardless of carrier. it did not matter what your level of need was, calls could not be completed. I know carries are supposed to give priority to Public safety needs, but this was not happening.

 

[ecps92]

Are we talking Voice or for Data ??

Are only certain carriers approved for public safety?
Verizon and Sprint are the only 2 that meet my.qualifications for redundency and dependable acess.
All other carriers cannot roam freely no matter what plan or phone you have.
Verizon and Sprint are the only with roaming agreement's.
All other networks have proven to overload and stop distributing workload.
I would buy slrint for the high speed modem for your vehicle on top of fhe HPD modem you have.


FIRSTNET?

 

[RonBon]

Nextel used to have a govt model with a red button that would clear up at least 4 active voice slots in line so the priority phone would go through.

Voip based voice networks always work if it's a legit network. Wave of the future. Calls via data slots and less voice slots. Iden should have been fixed and alocated to public safety. Best phone company that ever existed. Who cares about less than one quarter of the 800mhz spectrum killing it cleared up. It always worked when it had service.

 

[MTS2000des]

Sprint is the only carrier allowed to utilize all its radios. Up to 8 now with spark.

Huh? What are you talking about. Carriers can only operate where they have licensed spectrum. All carriers run RRUs that can operate on multiple bands. But they can only operate on bands where they are licensed. Last I checked, Sprint has limited licenses in the old 800MHz SMR band (which they scammed to get), no 700MHz, no legacy A or B block 800MHz licenses and a ton of PCS.

There should be one agency setting standards..

There is. I already provided relevant links.. Read up and study.

I have a button that jumps me over to verizons 1xrtt and evdo rev a network.

So how does this "button" work? On what model of handset? Of course roaming only works if carriers have agreements.

Conjecture....if its not on paper its not allowed.

Right, so where is your supporting documentation about roaming agreements, network redundancy and priority agreements you mentioned in the beginning of this thread?

Nextel used to have a govt model with a red button that would clear up at least 4 active voice slots in line so the priority phone would go through.

Oh really? What model is that? How did this work? Was the "clearing up" done at the site controller level or the DAP?

Iden should have been fixed and alocated to public safety. Best phone company that ever existed. .

iDEN is not, nor ever was designed, to even APCO16 standards. It was designed to be a replacement for Privacy Plus and legacy analog business radio networks.

Fixed allocating to public safety? You gotta be kidding. iDEN almost caused Birmingham, AL PD to have an LODD or two or three when some genius thought it would be a bright idea to put public safety on Southern LINC. Not to mention, OPEX costs overrun the budget every year paying SoCo everytime someone activated a talkgroup.

Guess what they did, the wised up before someone got killed and replaced it with a bonafide P25 DTRS.

and saved money doing it.

Who cares about less than one quarter of the 800mhz spectrum killing it cleared up. It always worked when it had service.

We care, iDEN was never intended to be intermingled with traditional non-cellular LMR on the existing band plan. Motorola's own internal documents proved it was not compatible as a "good neighbor". What Nextel did playing cellphone company with iDEN on the SMR band put many people's lives at risk who relied on having always available public safety radio.

It was neat as a business radio product but it's time has passed. 1993 called, they want their L3000's back!

 

[RonBon]

I guess it was a problem when my Tv would change channels right before getting a call on my nextel.

 

[mmckenna]

Iden should have been fixed and alocated to public safety. Best phone company that ever existed..

Dear God, tell me I didn't just read that. Wait, this is Radio Reference, so yeah, I did.

NexTel was a rolling joke that perpetuated year after year. Public Safety on NexTel? Only if you were a security guard with some dilution of being a police officer. Annoying BOT beep so everyone knew you were "important". Crappy audio, spotty coverage and dropped calls. Our chief of police was looking at this until we talked some sense into him. Turns out he just wanted to sell off my 800MHz frequencies that were not his and roll back to VHF.

When Nextel started off as a SMR -only-, it was OK. Then they got the bright idea that they could pretend they were a cellular carrier. They subdivided channels until everything sounded like crap.

Tried to use it after a 4.5 magnitude earthquake and couldn't place a call for 45 minutes. Dumped it and went to Verizon for half my staff, AT&T for the other half. At least that way we could get some calls through.

Sprint raped the crap out of NexTel when they bought them, glad they are gone. iDen was -never- a cellular service, it was an SMR with some capacity to place phone calls.

What finally drove us away was their sales guys promising to get BDA's installed in our buildings if we hit a certain number of subscribers. A few half-assed installs, many nights having to go over and troubleshoot their BDA systems because it wiped out our trunked system and NexTel was nowhere to be found. Oh yeah, them promising our chief of police that they could have a mobile NexTel site rolled in if there was a disaster.

If you are silly enough to rely on cellular service for public safety, then at least get WPS. If you don't qualify for WPS, then you are not public safety in any sense of the word.

*272, baby!

 

[MTS2000des]

Sprint raped the crap out of NexTel when they bought them, glad they are gone. iDen was -never- a cellular service, it was an SMR with some capacity to place phone calls.

Sprint's entire game was to get contiguous bandwidth on the coveted 800MHz band. Since they were never a player in "for real" cellular on the legacy A and B blocks on 800, their crazy fantasy of a merger was to push their "consensus plan" to gain that golden ticket, which they ultimately did.

Further proof of how the corporate government we have works for the corporations and not the people. Anywhere else in the world, iDEN would never have been allowed to fester into the pus filled sack it became and spewed it's fetid pus all over the adjacent incumbent 800 users (mostly public safety LMR) and would have been excised from the band like a cancerous tumor. But only in America could a massive, costly (to the tune of BILLIONS when all is said and done) SCAM PLAN be exectuted.

Rebanding cost billions, was a massive nightmare for many involved, and was totally unneeded. Who gained? A handful of "Solutions" vendors who got to sell a ton of "rebanded" hardware and software, consultants, the TA, and of course in the end, Sprint who got what they set their gun sights on...unfettered 860MHz block of spectrum all for themselves so they can be a "for real" cellco like the big boys.

Only in America.

iDen for public safety? Matthew, it is my firm belief that the OP is in an altered mental state right now. Go read his other thread about openly admitting to hacking someones public safety radio network in the Pennsylvania forum. This will give you a full picture of what we are dealing with.

 

[RonBon]

Just needed to tell the world that using no software and only Front Programmable Portable feature you could access the system. Then using the RID on the fly reprogram you could become any User that you want.

Stayed within the law.

 

[kayn1n32008]

Sprint's entire game was to get contiguous bandwidth on the coveted 800MHz band.

Bingo

Anywhere else in the world, iDEN would never have been allowed to fester into the pus filled sack it became and spewed it's fetid pus all over the adjacent incumbent 800 users (mostly public safety LMR) and would have been excised from the band like a cancerous tumor.

Telus has a multi province iDEn system, although the largest portion of the network is in Alberta, it seems to happily co-exist with PS and private LMR 800MHz users.

iDen for public safety?

It is being used as a stop gap here for one PS user, because of the lack of province wide network at this time. This user will likely transition to AFRRCS when it is finished and available to all users.

Matthew, it is my firm belief that the OP is in an altered mental state right now. Go read his other thread about openly admitting to hacking someones public safety radio network in the Pennsylvania forum. This will give you a full picture of what we are dealing with.

Allow me: http://forums.radioreference.com/showthread.php?t=301440

Mike moved it to off topic wireless... It is rambling nonsense really, he does not have much of an understanding of P25, what Interoperability is, what a Motorola FPP radio can and can not do, how encryption works or RF in general

Just needed to tell the world that using no software and only Front Programmable Portable feature you could access the system. Then using the RID on the fly reprogram you could become any User that you want.

The RID cannot be changed in a FPP radio as far as I know, it is done in software only.

Stayed within the law.

Sure sure, like how you claimed a radio will not transmit on an encrypted channel you tested on a 'decommissioned' system?


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[scannermanner1]

The county I live in has bought Verizon air cards (for there laptops) and cell phones for all there police officers mostly SO

 

[mikewazowski]

I've moved this thread to the Off Topic Wireless forum as well as the OP clearly does not have any clue what he is talking about.

 

[kayn1n32008]

I've moved this thread to the Off Topic Wireless forum as well as the OP clearly does not have any clue what he is talking about.

You noticed that as well eh? [emoji3]

 

[RonBon]

How is a cell phone signal that used to turn my boombox on before getting a text nonsense. Maybe I just babble nonsense because years of nextel phones has riddled my brain with microscopic tumors.

Hatred. Lol

 

[kayn1n32008]

How is a cell phone signal that used to turn my boombox on before getting a text nonsense.

Because the boom box had zero to less than zero shielding. It was not the fault of the phone, but the lack of shielding that caused the problem.

Your phone would respond to a beacon request to let the network know what site it was on before the network would send the text data to your phone.

Maybe I just babble nonsense

You said it!

because years of nextel phones has riddled my brain with microscopic tumors.

I doubt the babbling is a result of tumors...

Hatred. Lol

No, not hatred. There is just a few of us here that despise such factually wrong info like you have 'babbled' in your last two threads. Be it outrightly wrong info, to admitting you are hacking government radio networks.

Some of us like this hobby, and when folks like you admit to hacking government radio networks on public forums that a large number of system admins are either watching, or actively participate on further drives these networks towards not being able to be monitored.


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