APX APX8000H vs APX8000

[mbnv992]

What’s the difference between the H and the standard 8000 ? According to the specs, the “H” has a 3 watt speaker whereas the standard 8000 has a 1 watt speaker. I’ve also read on other forums that the “H” has an updated RX board.


Anyone confirm what these differences actually are ? I know the “H” is like 1/2 inch taller as well, and it’s been around for only a few years now.

 

[Outerdog]

See for yourself:

8000: https://www.motorolasolutions.com/content/dam/msi/docs/products/apx/apx_8000_na_datasheet.pdf

8000H: https://www.motorolasolutions.com/content/dam/msi/docs/products/apx/apx_8000h_data_sheet.pdf

 

[mbnv992]

Looking at the specs the 8000H has a 3 watt speaker ( up to 5 watts max ) and the standard 8000 has a 1 watt speaker. Does anyone know or that owns both radios know if the audio is in fact that much louder in the H vs the standard 8000 ?

The rest of the specs look pretty much the same ( besides the H having a taller housing ).

 

[N4KVL]

H designates Hazloc (Hazardous Locations). Yes it has the higher rated audio output, and is MUCH louder.

H models use Hazloc only batteries, which are more expensive than the normal batteries.

The 8000H targeted user are EOD technicians in LE and Military as well as the gas industry and other potentially explosive environments.

The 8000HXE targeted audience are HAZMAT / SPLOPS operators that are also in the fire service and other high impact occupations that could potentially be in an explosive environment.

The H only comes in black or coyote tan.

HXE comes in black, yellow or green.

If you really need the higher audio output and the enhanced IP68 environment resistance, just get an 8000XE. You will be able to use way more battery options and still retain the IP68 rating.

If you do not need the IP68, get a normal 8000 and throw an XE500 RSM on the side of it. The XE500 is capable of hurting your ears at higher volume levels.

 

[prcguy]

The HXE is the "Luxury" version.

 

[mbnv992]

That definitely explains a lot about the “H” model. You just don’t see that many out there. But since it’s a Hazloc radio that probably costs more than a standard 8000, I’d assume most departments would go with the 8000 over the H version.


I was reading over at the other P25 forum that the 8000H also has an improved / redesigned RF board as well ( showing a comparison of the 2 boards side by side ) so - more improvements were made over the standard 8000 as well.

 

[human8472]

Can you use a regular (non-Hazloc) APX8000 battery in an APX8000H if you are not concerned with the IP68 rating?

 

[GTR8000]

Can you use a regular (non-Hazloc) APX8000 battery in an APX8000H if you are not concerned with the IP68 rating?

No. The batteries are specific for each 8000 model, and the radio will display WRONG BATTERY if you don't use the correct one.

 

[mbnv992]

Yep as GTR above has stated - you can ONLY use one type of battery with the 8000H and you cannot adjust that in the CPS either ( to turn off the battery warnings ). Kinda sucks since I’d love to use both the thinner battery to save some heft, and also the taller thicker battery if I want more power. Can’t use any of them unfortunately. ( well - the radio will still work, and also still display the charge capacity of the battery, as well as the MAH remaining but will constantly say “ wrong battery “ and gets very annoying very quickly ).

 

[FDRadioguy777]

The batteries are my biggest gripe about switching to the APX 8000 HXE's. Ended up being an unexpected cost for us when upgrading from APX 6000XE's.

 

[human8472]

The batteries are my biggest gripe about switching to the APX 8000 HXE's. Ended up being an unexpected cost for us when upgrading from APX 6000XE's.

Did you find the size of the APX8000HXE a problem or take some getting used to? How did you like the radio overall?

 

[PACNWDude]

The battery issue is annoying to say the least. I even had Motorola tell me that Cadex did not make charging/conditioning cups for the APX8000 series batteries, when dealing with the technical support team.

I use the Cadex APX7000 cup (07-111-4540) to charge/condition my APX6000XE and APX8000XE batteries (APX8000 [Model H91TGD9PW7AN 8000XE3] is the PMNN4504A battery).

Big /\/\ definitely keeping technicians on their toes keeping track of everything. End users look at hardware assume if it looks right, it must be right. I get APX4000 radios in with XPR7550e batteries and the statement "this radio does not work" and expect this when I roll out the APX8000's as the APX6000 batteries will fit but give the before mentioned wrong battery warning to the user.

 

[N4KVE]

I regularly use XPR7550 batteries on my APX4000, & APX4000 batteries on my XPR7550/7580’s, & there’s never a wrong battery warning. APX FW 27, & XPR FW 2.09.

 

[K2NEC]

I regularly use XPR7550 batteries on my APX4000, & APX4000 batteries on my XPR7550/7580’s, & there’s never a wrong battery warning. APX FW 27, & XPR FW 2.09.

I think I had an issue with the NNTN8128 batteries working on my XPR. But the XPR batteries work fine on my APX.

 

[PACNWDude]

I had to make a unique label so end users would not confuse the APX8000 and very similar looking APX6000 series radios batteries.

 

[PACNWDude]

There is also, very often, confusion on what will work between APX900/4000 radios and Trbo series 3xxx/7xxx/e series radios. The left battery will work on APX900/4000 radios, while the middle radio works on XPR3xxx/7xxx/e series radios. The right battery will work on both series of radios as it has both sets of battery contacts. For those trying to streamline their supply chain a little bit.

 

[KevinC]

There is also, very often, confusion on what will work between APX900/4000 radios and Trbo series 3xxx/7xxx/e series radios. The left battery will work on APX900/4000 radios, while the middle radio works on XPR3xxx/7xxx/e series radios. The right battery will work on both series of radios as it has both sets of battery contacts. For those trying to streamline their supply chain a little bit.

And it sucks if you don’t pay attention and the spare battery you bring with you for your XPR3500 is the left one.

 

[K2NEC]

There is also, very often, confusion on what will work between APX900/4000 radios and Trbo series 3xxx/7xxx/e series radios. The left battery will work on APX900/4000 radios, while the middle radio works on XPR3xxx/7xxx/e series radios. The right battery will work on both series of radios as it has both sets of battery contacts. For those trying to streamline their supply chain a little bit.

I think you even confused yourself a little. The left battery is only for the 3xxx series. The middle battery is for the 7xxx series and APX radios, wont work on the 3xxxs. The right battery works with everything due to both sets of contacts.

 

[PACNWDude]

I think you even confused yourself a little. The left battery is only for the 3xxx series. The middle battery is for the 7xxx series and APX radios, wont work on the 3xxxs. The right battery works with everything due to both sets of contacts.

Yes, correct....I did confuse myself there. I try very hard to carry the batteries on the right, what works on both series of radios, for this very reason. Thank you for pointing this out so others do not make the same mistake.

 

[N4KVE]

Both my 3500’s came with the battery with both sets of contacts.