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I think two things have made departments more likely to go encrypted, first being that with a scanner and computer, or even now with a $30 dongle, anybody can access their comms from a smart phone in (almost) real time, second being the 16 chatter groups every town has on Facebook, where there's always somebody posting about what they heard on the scanner, often with little to no discretion. I can't really say that I blame them.
 

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I think two things have made departments more likely to go encrypted, first being that with a scanner and computer, or even now with a $30 dongle, anybody can access their comms from a smart phone in (almost) real time, second being the 16 chatter groups every town has on Facebook, where there's always somebody posting about what they heard on the scanner, often with little to no discretion. I can't really say that I blame them.
Hey, I hear ya.. for sure
 

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The CSP Fan Belt Patrol may be unencrypted, but you may rest assured that anything and everything else relating to CSP police matters is in fact encrypted.
Hahaha it really is just useless chatter
 

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The two that went encrypted then unencrypted that I know personally is Southbury Police and Stamford fire (on their trunked system). I also saw in comments that Wolcott and Middlebury Police also went from encrypted to unencrypted. I can’t confirm this myself from being too far away.
Yes wolcott and Middlebury police are unencrypted, wolcott police never went encrypted when we did the new radio system for the fire & police back around 2009, the chief is an awesome guy.
 

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This is some old school thinking.

I'm curious how many trunked systems around here have completely failed all of the redundant systems in place which resulted in a situation like this?
Initially, the intent of the FCC was that when an agency or town/city went to a trunked system they were to relinquish their old VHF/UHF frequencies. (The old VHF/UHF “agency specific” bands [such as Fire, police, etc.] had become saturated and the FCC wanted to free up these VHF/UHF frequencies for new assignments.) But that was changed, possibly due to glitches in the trunking systems at the time… when trunking was new people were a bit leery of the dependability. When New Britain Fire first moved to trunking they were having issues with transmission losses. Since trunking uses computers to sort everything out, the firefighters became distrusting of the new system, stating “The computer ate my transmission” when they weren’t heard over their trunking system. It may have just been a case of not being familiar with the new equipment, a “learning curve” issue, corrected by additional training, or, there may have been some adjustments needed to the system, I don’t know… it’s what the New Britain Fire Captain in charge of radio comms related to me when I was looking for a pair of VHF high band frequencies for the Town of Farmington Fire Depts repeater they currently operate on. I got one of their old frequencies (154.19MHz) and paired it with a federal forestry frequency (159.42MHz). In any case, there was a reluctance to relinquish the old VHF/UHF repeater pairs. And some towns/cities wanted to repurpose these old repeater assignments for other departments that didn’t have radios or the funds to transition to the new trunking network. They instead wanted to use existing equipment pulled from the FD’s and PD’s.
 

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The CSP Fan Belt Patrol may be unencrypted, but you may rest assured that anything and everything else relating to CSP police matters is in fact encrypted.
All the CSP Troops have one dispatch TG that is encrypted. But they still transmit in the clear on their other Troop dispatch TG’s. But I get what you are saying… anything that is sensitive or proprietary is encrypted. Having both encrypted and unencrypted TG’s is a compromise for the arguments pro and con about encryption. And it’s why some towns such as Avon may decide to allow “in the clear” routine dispatches (such as car accidents, well being checks, suspicious characters, etc.) to continue “in the clear” now that they have the capability of encryption on other TG’s. I’ve met Police Chief Paul and he is very a very level-headed and personable individual. My Son, who is on a first name basis has not had the opportunity to talk to Paul as yet. But as promised, I will report back with what he learns.
 

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Initially, the intent of the FCC was that when an agency or town/city went to a trunked system they were to relinquish their old VHF/UHF frequencies. (The old VHF/UHF “agency specific” bands [such as Fire, police, etc.] had become saturated and the FCC wanted to free up these VHF/UHF frequencies for new assignments.) But that was changed, possibly due to glitches in the trunking systems at the time… when trunking was new people were a bit leery of the dependability. When New Britain Fire first moved to trunking they were having issues with transmission losses. Since trunking uses computers to sort everything out, the firefighters became distrusting of the new system, stating “The computer ate my transmission” when they weren’t heard over their trunking system. It may have just been a case of not being familiar with the new equipment, a “learning curve” issue, corrected by additional training, or, there may have been some adjustments needed to the system, I don’t know… it’s what the New Britain Fire Captain in charge of radio comms related to me when I was looking for a pair of VHF high band frequencies for the Town of Farmington Fire Depts repeater they currently operate on. I got one of their old frequencies (154.19MHz) and paired it with a federal forestry frequency (159.42MHz). In any case, there was a reluctance to relinquish the old VHF/UHF repeater pairs. And some towns/cities wanted to repurpose these old repeater assignments for other departments that didn’t have radios or the funds to transition to the new trunking network. They instead wanted to use existing equipment pulled from the FD’s and PD’s.
Right, that's what I figured. No major TRS failures that were not remedied quickly.
 

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Haven’t heard Avon PD patch in a while, where the comms were still in the clear… suspect they moved over to CLMRN fully encrypted. Avon FD is in the clear on CLMRN.
 
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