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When you say "....hit the HAM repeaters in the area should the need arise" it sounds like maybe you are thinking of calling for help in an emergency? In this case, an InReach is a far more reliable option than any radio you might carry.

I have satellite coms too. Thanks for checking. Another reason why I don't want yet another device to carry. Battery, storage space, one radio outtaa be enough for anyone. If I needed a backup radio, then humorously that would require four radios.
 
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I understand what others are saying the rules state (not that I understand the rules myself). But no one has offered a reasonable explanation as to why the rules are written the way they are. That is an entirely valid question to ask.

Why can I not use my extremely pure and beautiful Yaesu/Motorola radio on GMRS bands? I'm not asking what the rules say. The rules do not make sense. Can anyone explain the reason for the rules?
Explore the FCC regs on the various services. The "reasonable explanation" will come to you. You will find different bandwidths, output power limitations, component requirements, and more. If you cannot understand why the rules are written the way they are, that's all the more reason for you to operate within the rules.

Would you tell a State Trooper you were going 95mph because you couldn't get a reasonable explanation of why the legal speed limit is 65?
 

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I understand what others are saying the rules state (not that I understand the rules myself). But no one has offered a reasonable explanation as to why the rules are written the way they are. That is an entirely valid question to ask.
If you don't like a rule you can file a petition for rulemaking to have them change it.
Why can I not use my extremely pure and beautiful Yaesu/Motorola radio on GMRS bands? I'm not asking what the rules say. The rules do not make sense. Can anyone explain the reason for the rules?
The main reason is to help keep frequency agile radios out of the hands of idiots.
 

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To me, its just crazy. So, I have to carry two silly radios to talk to them and still hit the HAM repeaters in the area should the need arise. There are so many identical radios (one for GMRS the other identical for HAM) that this is starting to feel like a scam. In fact, I'll just say it, this is a scam. I think that we are better than that. The industry should do better.

I can understand what you are feeling. To those not familiar with how the FCC rules work, it's easy to think this is a scam. You are not the first that will say this and you won't be the last.

But, it's not a scam. The rules and type acceptance requirement are there for a very valid reason, and your questions/concerns are exactly why.

Here's the issue:
The FCC knows that the average consumer/hobbyist/ham is not going to understand the technical requirements that regulate radio usage, radio design, spectral purity, interference, etc…..
To make it easier for consumers/hobbyists/hams, the FCC uses Type Acceptance as a way to make it clear which radios will meet the complex type acceptance/technical requirements for specific radio services. The requirements that an FRS only radio must meet are different than the technical requirements for a GMRS radio. Same with MURS. Same with ham. Same with marine VHF, etc….
Average Joe consumer/hobbyist/ham is going to look for a radio that fits the radio service they are using. FCC made it easy.

Where the issue happens is when someone is looking for a radio that is outside the FCC rules.

But, lucky for us, the Chinese are here to save the day. They'll happily sell you some cheap radio on a chip for $14 that has poor filtering and no type acceptance, and happily release software/firmware that'll let it blow by all the FCC requirements. And there's no shortage of people that assume that the FCC is out to get them, and the Chinese are the true saviors. They'll gobble up these radios like pigs at a trough of slop. Amazon/e-Bay will happily take your $14 for one of these radios, because the main #1 concern is that Jeff Bezos gets a new yacht, and we keep American dollars flowing into the Chinese economy.

Yes, you could buy some $14 Cheap Chinese Radio and be able to transmit on all these bands.

And then there's the hacked MARS/CAP modded ham radios. Again, FCC rules are there for a reason. That reason is most hams barely can pass a 35 question multiple choice test. The internet gives them the ability to take tests over and over again until they can pass the test in their sleep without actually having to learn the material. What happens with this is we have hams that have no idea what the FCC Part 97 rules say. They get their guidance from those on the internet that will tell them to do whatever they hell they want and completely ignore anything that looks like integrity, skill, knowledge or honesty.

But, now I sound a bit bitter. Maybe I am. Maybe I've had far too many experiences with people that thumb their noses at the rules for their own benefit, completely ignoring how it impacts everyone else.


There is no easy answer for what you want. The issue is that you want one radio that will do absolutely everything. The FCC rules don't allow that for good reasons. There are far too many technical and legal reasons why we can't have that. There are far too many that have zero integrity and will willingly risk causing interference to others, including public safety users, all in the name of convenience.


What you want:
You want a radio that you can use on the ham bands.
Solution: Get a ham radio designed for this. Commercial radios won't have a VFO option. Some can be set up for front panel programming, but that's another legal issue that many turn a blind eye to. Truth is, a nice Yaesu amateur radio will serve you well on the ham bands, and do stuff that other solutions won't.

You want to be able to talk to those that don't want to get into the amateur radio hobby while hiking.
Solution: Find out what they use. Likely FRS. Get a basic FRS radio. Having a common radio platform that matches others just makes things easier all around. One guy with a "special" radio just complicates everything. The "Keep It Simple, Stupid" thing applies very well here.

If you have satellite capability, then use that for emergencies. Trust me, this will work faster/better than ham radio. Hams have zero requirement to help you in an emergency. They are random hobbyists that may or may not be listening. They may not be willing to help you. And, yes, I know this for a fact, I've tried to use amateur radio in emergencies a few times. It. Does. Not. Work. It is NOT an emergency radio service. Random ham is not going to be able to deal with a true emergency, even if you can find one. Trust in professionals, not hobbyists.
 

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Thank you mmckenna. I'm just frustrated. I appreciate the response.

I understand, and I can see that in your posts.

I've been in the industry for about 30 years now. You do you, but if you want a nickels worth of free advice, don't make it complicated:

Don't try to combine everything into one radio. What you'll end up with is a radio that doesn't do anything well.

For amateur radio, you want a VFO, that'll be important.

For your hiking buddies, get the same radio they use. FRS/GMRS consumer radios won't do PL/DPL tones the same way as a commercial or ham radio will. There's some translation that needs to be done by the person programming the radio, and in the field you won't have the time/resources to do that easily.

Keep the satellite communicator for emergencies. Even if you did find a radio that would do everything, you'd want to keep that as a tool. They are not replaceable, no matter what the hams try to tell you.


Yeah, two radios, but FRS radios are small, light and easy to use. Stick the ham radio down deep in your pack and have it there when it's time to play.
 

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Been a minute since I checked. but as of last year or so, Kenwood and Icom had radios that had both Part 90, 95 and some had Part 80….
Interesting. My guess is that they are models that were grandfathered in 2017 but still in production. I'll have to research sometime when I run out of other things to do. :cool:
 

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I understand what others are saying the rules state (not that I understand the rules myself). But no one has offered a reasonable explanation as to why the rules are written the way they are. That is an entirely valid question to ask.

It doesn't matter why with respect to a solution. Solutions have been offered.

Why can I not use my extremely pure and beautiful Yaesu/Motorola radio on GMRS bands? I'm not asking what the rules say. The rules do not make sense. Can anyone explain the reason for the rules?

You can use it. You just can't do it legally. Etc. Etc. You're starting to sound trollish.
 

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What's a good radio to use while hiking that works with GMRS, FRS, and the HAM bands? I'll be licensed for all three services. I'm thinking of using the Yaesu VX-7R which is the HAM version of the FRS enabled Yaesu HX470S. So, I should just use the VX-7R? Also, I've noted that the UV-5R appears to be the UV-5G, or the Wouxun KG-UV9PX seems to be the Wouxun KG-UV9GX? These would be other options, but I would prefer a Yaesu. I note that if I had two idental radios on my belt, it would be confusing knowing which one was setup for which service. So, using just one VX-7R seems to make the most sense.

Thoughts?
I had been reading the many replies. And arguments the whole thing
What's a good radio to use while hiking that works with GMRS, FRS, and the HAM bands? I'll be licensed for all three services. I'm thinking of using the Yaesu VX-7R which is the HAM version of the FRS enabled Yaesu HX470S. So, I should just use the VX-7R? Also, I've noted that the UV-5R appears to be the UV-5G, or the Wouxun KG-UV9PX seems to be the Wouxun KG-UV9GX? These would be other options, but I would prefer a Yaesu. I note that if I had two idental radios on my belt, it would be confusing knowing which one was setup for which service. So, using just one VX-7R seems to make the most sense.

Thoughts?
I had been reading threw all the posts. And see that it looks like some of the posts are losing the point. You won't find one radio to do all of it because of the rules and regulations set out in order to keep frequencies clear and safe. There's power restrictions for the wattage and things like non removable antennas. You have to go threw all of the differences in regulations and law's. It provides protection from say a child using a high wattage radio or band frequencies being unusable from disruption or distortion. If you have a Amateur license you either hold to the law's and regulations carry a couple of radios to contact with the appropriate radio to frequencies or do like many others use a radio that's able to do all of it and not be disruptive to any safety and emergency services no one will ever look twice. Unless you have a person who is 💯 by the book report you only ypu and God will know that the one radio you're carrying isn't allowed to transmit to whoever on the FRS or GMRS radio. I think that covers it. Carry a couple radios or don't comes down to your own decision as a human being to break the rules or not to...
 

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I carry a kenwood NX210, has ham, MURS (not type accepted tho), and marine (part 80 or whatever marine is certified) and NX1300NUK2, I believe it has part 95 acceptance for GMRS, haven't checked that yet though. Two radios and it covers all of my local needs. Doesn't weigh down my belt too much either since I carry my NX210 on a strap and my 1300 on my belt.
 

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I carry a kenwood NX210, has ham, MURS (not type accepted tho), and marine (part 80 or whatever marine is certified)

Marine is Part 80.

and NX1300NUK2, I believe it has part 95 acceptance for GMRS, haven't checked that yet though.

Unfortunately, no Part 95. And that's a shame, as it would be a nice GMRS radio.

I just had a total of 67 of those arrive at work. For the price, they are a decent little radio. The form factor and straightforward controls make them popular. Much nicer solution that the CCR's, more durable, and sound MUCH better.
 

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Marine is Part 80.



Unfortunately, no Part 95. And that's a shame, as it would be a nice GMRS radio.

I just had a total of 67 of those arrive at work. For the price, they are a decent little radio. The form factor and straightforward controls make them popular. Much nicer solution that the CCR's, more durable, and sound MUCH better.
They do sound very good, that is definitely true, much better than my NX210 or any of my motorola pr860s. I thought they would have been part 95 since the tk3180 was I think
 

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They do sound very good, that is definitely true, much better than my NX210 or any of my motorola pr860s. I thought they would have been part 95 since the tk3180 was I think

The high split TK-3180 did have Part 95. Unfortunately none of the NX-1300 versions do.

Would make a good entry into the GMRS market for Kenwood. But I'm sure the market for quality GMRS radios is really small. Icom did something similar with the IC-F21GM. It was a solid radio, but the price was higher than the bubble pack radios/CCR's and people didn't understand.
 

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The high split TK-3180 did have Part 95. Unfortunately none of the NX-1300 versions do.

Would make a good entry into the GMRS market for Kenwood. But I'm sure the market for quality GMRS radios is really small. Icom did something similar with the IC-F21GM. It was a solid radio, but the price was higher than the bubble pack radios/CCR's and people didn't understand.
Yeah, I won't condone it but NX1300 would work great on GMRS. Even though it's not part 95, part 90 is probably stricter and I don't think the FCC would really care if you used it. That goes for the NX210 on MURS as well. Used my NX210 in an amusement park today and with the KMC72 mic, the audio was VERY easy to hear, great noise cancellation when my settings aren't screwed up. Also near a large body of water so I have marine channels with only 16 and 22 in my zone scan list (can also transmit on all the marine channels I have except 21A). Should note: I do not plan on transmitting since I don't know marine radio regulations, just figured in case something happened I am able to transmit1690692737812.png
 
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Yeah, I won't condone it but NX1300 would work great on GMRS. Even though it's not part 95, part 90 is probably stricter and I don't think the FCC would really care if you used it. That goes for the NX210 on MURS as well. Used my NX210 in an amusement park today and with the KMC72 mic, the audio was VERY easy to hear, great noise cancellation when my settings aren't screwed up. Also near a large body of water so I have marine channels with only 16 and 22 in my zone scan list (can also transmit on all the marine channels I have except 21A). Should note: I do not plan on transmitting since I don't know marine radio regulations, just figured in case something happened I am able to transmitView attachment 146115
Also have busy channel lockout, made sure I could activate every parameter to not screw with marine communications.
 
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