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I would put worrying about this far down your list of priorities.

Bronco's announcement caught almost everyone off guard, as far as I can tell. The 'emergency operations centre' he talks about planning and developing is already built and within a few weeks of being in operation. 3-1-1 moves in in December, EMS in January, and Fire likely in February (when EMS and Fire dispatch operations will end up being combined as one entity, the Public Safety Communications Centre, or PSCC).

The fact of the matter is that the contract for the "Calgary DRS" (Digital Radio System, aka 753f) is up in '06 (far as I know). The only uncertainty I hear about is that the powers that be are listening intently to see who gets the nod to build the province wide trunk system. Big M and M/A-COM are the only two in the hunt, from what I hear, and 99% of the people involved want to go with Big M due to the already established infrastructure compatible with that system. (Things such as 753f, which would be an integral part of the new network.)

I asked a Big M guy about the whole deal and was told that they are planning what they call "ASTRO 8.0" (I think that's the version number - the next major revision after the current in-use one) to be their answer for the provincewide system. This was in response to the query of "Will this be a Smartzone or Omnilink system?"

Even if the province (mainly the RCMP, really) choose M/A-COM, I would be absolutely floored if Calgary dumped 753f. The rumblings I've heard are that there's every intention to keep it around AND expand it.
 

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It does look like the RCMP is going MACOM, as well if you look at many major cities in Canada .. Macom is doing very very well. Calgary is one of the black sheep who went with the 'Big M'. Sometimes bigger isnt always better .....

I can see them going with MaCom province wide .. you just have to look at New York state. They bypassed the Big M. It is a solid system .. and would be a good choice.

EPS in Edmonton has a contract with MACOM til like 2011. So I dont see it going away in favor of Motorola, unless the province would be paying the bill.

But then I can see Ralph making a decision in favor of what Calgary wants as that seems to be the norm. Calgary seems to be the odd one out on this one. But only time will tell. Then again ... it is alot different up here than in the US. We have very wide open spaces and really we have no need to talk to Calgary from up here.
 

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edmscan said:
It does look like the RCMP is going MACOM, as well if you look at many major cities in Canada .. Macom is doing very very well. Calgary is one of the black sheep who went with the 'Big M'. Sometimes bigger isnt always better .....

My observations lead me to believe that if anything, it's split close to 50/50 right now, rather than being in favor of either system. The RCMP may be looking closely at M/A-COM, but only as you would hope they would, looking thoroughly at all options.

Having said that, I can tell you for certainty that there is a group of towns and counties surrounding Calgary and making up a large portion of Southern Alberta that were literally all but ready to sign the deal on an expansion of 753f (with Motorola equipment), but held off once the fact that the RCMP were looking to replace PACS was brought to light. Seeing as how there are a great number of services around Calgary that interact with one another, and the province may still have plans to regionalize EMS agencies, it only makes sense for this region to use a common system. Furthermore, there are other Motorola systems (Red Deer City for one) which would be easy to incorporate into a wider Motorola system.

Calgary's Motorola system isn't going anywhere, and as I said, considering the interaction that the emergency services experiences in this area, it only makes sense to expand 753f. For what it's worth, when G8 was in town in 2002, the RCMP went starry-eyed over the operation of the Smartzone (Motorola) system that was in place at the time.

Even more groups have left Calgary's EDACS system as well. ENMAX moved to 753f a couple years ago; Transit now has Animal Services and other such agencies joining it on MiKE/iDEN; etc.

I don't deny that those of you living in Lethbridge and Edmonton will contend that the province could just as easily go M/A-COM as I'm saying it could go Motorola. I would wager that the reality will be that Calgary will remain Motorola. Most places surrounding Calgary will probably go Motorola as well, including smaller towns with oddball trunk systems like Cochrane's MPT1327. I would expect that cities with large systems, i.e. Edmonton, may stay with their existing systems, regardless of what the RCMP/province chooses. It could be possible to interface/link the systems together, with patch groups and such, but that's a kludge and never a preferred result.

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We have very wide open spaces and really we have no need to talk to Calgary from up here.

Perhaps not, but remember what I said. I don't know what the landscape is like in Edmonton and area radio-wise, but right now, we have Calgary on 800mhz trunk, Rockyview on a number of UHF and VHF conventional frequencies, Foothills Regional (comprising 3 or 4 counties) on a myriad of VHF conventional frequencies, Wheatland County on VHF conventional, Mountain View on UHF conventional, Banff/Louise on an MSAT link, and Canmore on an IRLP link to Foothills Regional - and all of these agencies often work together and could benefit hugely from a common radio system. Furthermore, once (if) the health regions start controlling ambulance services and moving them across the entire region dependent on demand, wide-area communications will be imperative. Example: During the Pine Lake tornado response, ambulances from Foothills Regional EMS covered the city of Airdrie, on the opposite side of Calgary, and covered by a different dispatch center. None of FREMS's channels work in Airdrie, because there are no repeaters for those channels that far north. They were reduced to using cell phones for communication, and even those were sketchy, with the overloading of the cell networks with emergency comms for that disaster. A wide-area network would eliminate these problems.

Like I say, I don't know what Edmonton is like - if the city dispatches for regions outside, or if interoperability/inter-regional communications is a big issue. But it is here, and it is for the RCMP. That's why I beleive that the likelihood is that the province-wide system will use the system the majority of the services and agencies needing interoperability already have in place, and there will be some kind of patching going on to link the other services/agencies/systems for who this isn't as big an issue.

Having said all that, the topic of this thread is the future of Calgary's emergency services communications. Quite frankly, the mayor, as important a man as he may be, is not a radio tech to my knowledge. The announcement of this money to improve the communications services is most likely simply a release of money into the budgets of the agencies, to allow them to replace damaged/lost/obsolete radios, purchase additional dispatch consoles for the new dispatch center, etc. Much as, as I said in the earlier post, the 'new' emergency operations center is already nearing completion and will be occupied imminently.
 

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South Vs. North

One major difference between Edmonton and Calgary, Edmonton has many smaller close knit cities/towns surrounding its metro city limits than Calgary.

Leduc, Sherwood Park, Spruce Grove, Stony Plain, Fort Saskatchewan, St Albert in some sort, have its own Public Services Emergency operation and control.

On a few occasions being guided by the Alberta government lead by the City of Edmonton meetings to discuss consolidation all emergency services with in a 100 km plus radius of the City almost turned into a brawl.
Statements like, “Over my dead body” were said in reference to consolidating emergency services into the surrounding communities based out of Edmonton.

In fact the smaller communities/Counties in self preservation mode are now doing just that trying to expand their operations as fast and as far as possible. County of Strathcona is trying to expand east past Riley and northeast to Mundare. Parkland County to the south and west into Leduc County and west into Yellowhead County. Leduc county south to Wastaskiwin. St. Albert has awoken and now looking to spread its wings into Morinville/Sturgeon County and who knows where else.

In my opinion the determining factor of which system and when a provincial radio system will be establish will be done purely in the political party's backrooms.
So sad but true.
 
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