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Hey guys, I was just wondering what kind of range I could expect on a CB radio here in Alabama. I live in a fairly hilly area. My friend found an old CB radio that his grand dad gave him, and it got us both wanting to give CB a try. Is there any way to improve the signal or power. Also, what brands/radios are best? Thanks in advance!
 

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Remember 102 inches!

The range of a CB is limited by its 4 watt output power (12 watts in SSB) that you can’t legally increase. The best thing you can do is to buy or make a quality antenna. This could be anything from the simple ground plane antenna, to a complicated yagi. I don’t use a CB anymore (since like 1990), but there are a lot of cheap antennas out there that you don’t want. Basically, a CB base antenna should be at least 102” (8.5’) high. If its not, it really won’t perform very well. Mount the antenna as high as possible, and use a good quality coax like RG-8 to connect your antenna to the radio. It should be thick, not thin like the stuff connecting your cable TV or satellite dish.

A note on the length, just because its big, doesn’t make it good, there are certain lengths that are proper for the frequencies that a CB uses. 102” is one quarter wavelength for the CB frequencies, a common length for antennas.

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Hi CSL and readers,

Such ambiguity cannot elicit specific answers. We see this all the time on forums, they always ask questions about "how far can I hear" when there are so many variables a good answer darn near impossible. If you're really interested in short range communications get serious and go for a GMRS setup where you won't be bothered by idiots raising hell and using language that would make a sailor blush.

If you're interested in local stuff AND want to talk to the world get a ham license, now that's satisfaction. Writing from experience with both CB and ham, the type of station separates the men from the boys so why play in a sand box with the kids when the world is at your fingertips?

If you want real answers to any questions about Amateur Radio post them on www.qrz.com where the MEN hang out. No offense guys, scanner buffs excepted, monitoring is a horse of a different color.
 

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With the current condition of the 11 meter (CB) band, you will be lucky to get across the street no matter how much of an antenna you have. The reason for this is because there are just far too many people using illegal equipment on the band. I agree with the last post. If you are serious about having a short range communications pay the $80 and get into GMRS. Now GMRS is exspensive since you are required to use FCC certified gear and those rigs can be several hundred dollars plus programming costs if you go with commercial 2-way gear. GMRS isnt really meant for hobby type communications, its meant more for families to keep in touch. If you want to get serious into personal communications I would also suggest getting into amateur radio. The license is free but you have to pay for the testing ($10-15) and you can usually find good gear for cheap on ebay or the QRZ.COM swap forum and at local hamfests. The great advantage to amateur radio is you dont have to use FCC certified gear, you can roll your own radio if you feel so inclined or build one from a kit or modify existing gear to use in teh amateur bands.
 

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Hey CSL,

Well as you are just beginning to see, I suppose that you will get 100 different opinions from 100 different people. I however am going to encourage you with your newfound and free gear and not rain on your parade.

I first got into having fun with radios in the giant U.S. CB radio boom of the mid 1970's more or less following the first Smokey and the Bandit movie. CB radio can be highly enjoyable and effective. Like others said, put up the best antenna you can afford. The antenna is 95% of your system. Even in ham radioland (I'm a ham since '93) you can have your a $10,000 Icom IC 7800 radio and a 2,000 watt amplifier....but if you're using a piece of a coat hanger for an antenna...you ain't gonna do much.

I would recomment at least a 1/2 wave verticle such as an Antron 99 which is a popular choice. New they're only $49 bucks and available all over. Try www.copperelectronics.com or Ebay. There's a huge ammount of CB gear on Ebay.

How far you can talk depends on the equipment and location of BOTH stations or all the stations you're talking to. Without obstructions like a mountain in between, your 4 watts on AM or 12 on sideband can go 40-50 miles easily. But it doesn't stop there. The CB band in 27mhz is in the upper end of the HF band and right below the 10 meter ham band. This frequency area is easily capable of round-the world propogation which generally, but not exclusively, follows the 11 & 1/2 year sunspot cycles. The current cycle is heading down right now from the last peak but there are many other atmospheric and ionospheric conditions which can and do present themselves which allow these "band openings" where you 'll be able to talk all over the country and out of the country easily and all with your low CB power. When propogation is there....it's there and you'll start hearing stations (other CB'ers) coming in from wherever the propogation is running. Can be from 2 states away to the other side of the country, Canada or over to Europe, down to South America or way out yonder to Australia.

The CB boom of the mid '70's chanced to coincide with one of the greatest sunspot cycle peaks in modern history and this exposed tens of thousands of CB'ers like you to the wonder and thrill of real long distance radio communication. Many stayed in the hobby and went on the become hams like I did, others drifted away. But it was all great fun. I still operate on CB sideband and enjoy the casual format and easy operations as do tens of thousands of ordinary folks around the world.

True, you'll hear your share of low down dirty dirt bags and the some of the truckers out on the highway on channel 19 can cuss it up with any sailor......but that doesn't mean that you have to hang out with anyone you don't want to or on channel 19.

And CH 19 is still the best place to get on the spot and accurate highway information. Most truckers are just regular people doing their jobs and use CB's to chat up their friends and pass along accurate road & highway info to each other. Many times you can just listen and get the info that you need if you have a CB in your vehicle.

So I say go for it and have fun. Your buddy can get him a cheap (inexpensive) radio at any pawn shop, truck stop or Ebay or any number of places. CB is a terriffic place to begin learning about how HF radios work and you may like it so much that you'll want to become a ham later. The FCC is just now in the process of dropping the morse code requirement for HF ham band voice privilages so very soon you will find that it will have never been easier to become a ham and step up to much better radios with loads of useful features and typically at least a 100 watt power level which will make you ready to talk all over the country and the world almost at will and practically 24 hrs a day and at any time of the year.

Cobra is still around and has always been a pretty good radio. They still carry them in most Radio Shacks new and again there's all kinds of catalog-internet sellers for everything you'll need.

I was a full time CB'er for over 10 years in the past and had a remarkably great time. I talked all over the world on low power and with ordinary verticle antennas. Don't let anyone talk you out of experimenting with it and finding things like this out for yourself.

Good luck and lets us know how it goes and if you need anymore help.
 

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In my office I have a Uniden PC76XLW. I have a 25 yr old tunk lid mount whip mounted on the roof. I can sometimes get about 18 miles up and down I-77. By using this same cable, if it's good. Would I be able to make my own wire antenna if I can find a place to mount it?
 
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Nice post, ReceiverBeaver! Very well said. CB is alive and well, despite the naysayers. You'll find alot more jerks on 80 meters than you'll ever hear on SSB CB. I've made friends all over the world on 11 meters, land, sea, and air! All continents except Antartica, but I've heard of that being done too!
 

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I still use CB everyday because I deal with truckers. about 96% of the truckers that come in here have a CB in their truck.
 

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xusmarine1979 said:
In my office I have a Uniden PC76XLW. I have a 25 yr old tunk lid mount whip mounted on the roof. I can sometimes get about 18 miles up and down I-77. By using this same cable, if it's good. Would I be able to make my own wire antenna if I can find a place to mount it?


yes, you can use that same cable to make a wire antenna for CB. Either a 1/2 wave dipole or a groundplane. But for CB thats going to be a good sized antenna at a minium of 9 feet for a 1/4 wave antenna and 18 feet for a 1/2 wave antenna. You must work in security in a warehouse lot or something. Where I used to live the Ingles warehouse (big supermarket chain around here) had a CB in their guard shack that they used to communicate with truckers and they have a K40 on the roof. They get out all over the valley they are in and a good 10 miles up and down I-40.
 

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Thanks for all of the replies guys, I found a cheap CB at walmart. I guess i'll go out and buy it tomorrow and start trying to figure some of this stuff out. My friend only lives about 3 or 4 miles from me, but there is some fairly hilly terrain between here and there. I guess i'll just experiment with some different antennas until we get it working how we want it.

Also, I guess this should be in a different post. All of you guys that were talking about GMRS... have you ever set up a GMRS repeater before? If so, how much money did it cost? I'm assuming it would be an enormous amount lol, but I was just wondering.

Thanks again everybody!
 

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Heya Guys,

To CSL again, yeah a repeater is going to cost the bucks and the biggest problem is going to be a secure and high location. Repeaters are tasked to provide comm's over signifigant distances so the antennas must be very high like on a mountain top or by sharing space on a commercial tower. Typically all of these locations are already taken or nearly impossible to obtain.

Which brings me back to another point about your CB home antenna, get it up as high as you can. Many CB'ers would put a verticle up in the top of a tree. Great to do if done correctly and if you've got some monkey in you or know someone who does. Some guys would also pay a guy from a tree cutting service to climb & install. Otherwise do whatever you can to get it up high. Having the bottom of the antenna 25-30' off the ground would be typical and good. Always the higher the better.

Your 3-4 miles from your buddy will be no problem with pretty much whatever you set up but you'll find yourself wanting to be able to talk to others and further away.

And do consider paying about $75 more (new) and getting a radio with sideband. That's where the useful DX will be. The Cobra 148 GTX series are a good choice. Again you can obtain a better deal buying used radios.

Good luck and have fun !
 

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And do consider paying about $75 more (new) and getting a radio with sideband. That's where the useful DX will be. The Cobra 148 GTX series are a good choice. Again you can obtain a better deal buying used radios.

Good luck and have fun !


dont forget the feedline. if your going to put the antenna in a tree, feedline is important, otherwise you wont get all of the power to the antenna.
use good quality cable like belden 9913 or times lmr 400. its not cheap, but it will be well worth it. also, if you decide to go into amateur radio or gmrs, you will be all set with the feedline.

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Hi R. Beaver and all,

Please allow me to set you straight on a few things beginning with "beaver", it doesn't taste like chicken, it tastes like fish unless you're a baba booie. (I hope this doesn't get the axe, hi.)

Most importantly I strongly urge you to stop endorsing illegal operation! Frankly I don't care if the FCC, angry neighbors and CBers you've pissed off come knocking at your door but suggesting it to others is a moral crime.

As for the GMRS repeaters, there are plenty of them out there already so any comments on setting up and operating one are superflous. One last remark, I suggest you get your act together before posting such things again and please refrain from doing so thus misleading others, especially those which could put them in jeopardy.

As for the others' comments, CB is alive and well in some areas but totally dead in others like here. To put it simply we enjoyed it immensely until the "trucker boom" of the mid 70s when every jackass in the land decided he had to play Smokey And The Bandit and ride in a Convoy. The interference plus foul language and general idiocy drove everybody including the jackasses off the band, silence is golden.

In areas where it still exists there is a sharp division between good operators and those who break the rules and the other jackasses who make life miserable for the good operators. Some get lucky and operate in a jackass free zone but it's rare, my CB equipped trucker friends tell the story of how it is in various parts of the country and the majority of it isn't pretty.

OK, call me a nay-sayer if you will but I tell it like it is. In my previous post I made two suggestions bypassing what could become a quagmire and a gross waste of time and money. Some get lucky, some are disappointed and others go straight to the top without even considering 11M Class D Citizens Band.
 

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CryptoJoe said:
I don't get it, what was suggested that isn't legal?

That's what I was wondering.

But anyways... When I work out at the DC, there is a guard booth way out in the open. I am within 1,000' from I-77. On good days I have reached about 18 miles. Not bad for a 25 yr old antenna.
 

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CryptoJoe said:
I don't get it, what was suggested that isn't legal?


Well, technically the suggestion of SSB DX on 11m, something about part 47CFR-Part 95, Section D, Rule 13, Section A-9 - You must NOT use a CB station to communicate with, or ATTEMPT to communicate with, any CB station more than 155.3 miles (250 kilometers) away. So just talking to your buddy down teh street is fine, unless that street extends 155.3 miles and he lives at 155.4 miles away :). Seriously, if you get the bug and want to work DX and other long range communications save yourself the hassel of getting that deep into CB and look into amateur radio.


All of those wonderful rules can be found here:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/47cfr95_04.html
 
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See, you learn something every day. I didn't know that. I consider anything over 75 miles DX (I guess the definition of DX varies depending on who you ask) on my 2 meter FM rig (Icom IC-V8000, 75 watts out)! So, 150 miles on a CB, well, that would be kind of cool, not that I'm going to get a CB or anything.

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CryptoJoe said:
I don't get it, what was suggested that isn't legal?

I read through the posts a couple of times. The only thing illegal that was discussed (that I could find) was comments about DX'ing on CB. Technically, its illegal. (EDIT: As stated above) The equipment referenced and suggested was legal, I didn't really see anyone pushing the use high power levels or illegal modes. I think ReceiverBeavers posts were in line, well put, and unbiased (he even put a plug in for Ham radio). Nothing misleading.

I'm not too sure about the GMRS suggestion though. Sure, there are repeaters already set up. But, unless you have permission from the owner, you have no rights to use them. I have found that many GMRS repeater owners are not willing to allow random people to use their setup. Yea, you wont be bothered by a bunch of fools, but its going to cost you a whole lot more.

CB is a cheap and easy to setup, and can have great results. You just can't expect it to be like a telephone. Sometimes you have to deal with a bunch of idiots, and sometimes you don't. Just have fun with it.
 
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I guess i forgot to mention this, that rule makes teh use of the phrase "howaboudit skipland! skipland! skipland! this here be the one Fumigator! South side and down!" illegal, it falls under the ATTEMPT to contact a station beyond the limit :D
 
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