Certification Bodies

[mmckenna]

Well, this should be interesting:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-411576A1.pdf

"However, prior to these new rules, the agency’s eligibility criteria has been based primarily on technical competence – not trustworthiness"​

Will be interesting how the government judges "trustworthiness". Probably not something that can be easily quantified, if that really is their goal.

Better grab the Cheap Chinese Junk while you can.

Not going to dare putting this in the "Budge and Entry Level transceivers" forum. That would just generate sheer panic.

 

[EAFrizzle]

CCRs will likely get a big smack down, given the broad brushstrokes we're seeing these days. I suspect it's geared more towards phones and such, but all sorts of stuff is likely to be affected. Not just the cheapies, but decent stuff as well. Should be interesting to see the CB community's reaction as well. I'm going to read the pdf in full tonight; it should be interesting, to say the least.

I guess I'll have to keep waiting for a P25 conventional Baofeng...

 

[MTS2000des]

It's few days late and several million short. The CCR and part 15 splatter generators from both intentional and non-intentional radiators have been flooding the country like German roaches in a greasy poorly cleaned kitchen in the Bronx. It's great to stop the approval and importing/rubber stamping of this trash now, but what about the millions already here radiating hash and trash? Enforcement, while some positive examples have been posted recently, are still but a few speckles of roach feces in a sea of roaches.

 

[mmckenna]

It's aimed at a lot of things. One of the bigger issues they've been focusing on the last few years (before the current administration) was IT equipment out of China, and that would include cellular and WiFi gear.

 

[dickie757]

If only I ate popcorn. This is going to tsunami, never mind ripple, into every aspect of everyone's lives.

Network switch you used to buy....poof, Commie China is gonna backdoor you without the kindness of tickling your ports and sockets.

Budget phone? Nope, it is a direct line to Chairman Mow Zee DingDong.

Remote control car? Might as well call SWAT and bombsquad.

Oh, how about industrial controls? Just turn off all of your lights and a/c now, so you can get used to no grid.

I trust my government, do you?

 

[kc2asb]

CCRs will likely get a big smack down, given the broad brushstrokes we're seeing these days. I suspect it's geared more towards phones and such, but all sorts of stuff is likely to be affected. Not just the cheapies, but decent stuff as well. Should be interesting to see the CB community's reaction as well.

You might be right about it being more geared towards phones and similar devices, but the document does state "all devices that emit radio frequencies." The CB community could very well be impacted with all of those easily-modifiable export CB's coming in that are labeled as "10m amateur radios".

 

[popnokick]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/fcc-vote-bar-chinese-labs-deemed-security-risks-testing-us-electronics-2025-04-30/

 

[AM909]

... what about the millions already here radiating hash and trash? ...

The good part is that they are mostly un-repairable crap and will die in a year or three.

 

[kc2asb]

The good part is that they are mostly un-repairable crap and will die in a year or three.

Enough of them will survive to keep radiating hash. Only time will tell how much of an impact this will have on the flow of these devices from China. It looks good on paper, but may be quite different in practice.

 

[d119]

It is absolutely incredible what some of these cert labs will approve. I cannot tell you how many vehicle-born products I've come across with cert lab approvals on them and FCC ID numbers that are gross radiators, to the point I could fail their certification in the field using a service monitor.

I would assume the units that go to cert labs are usually either "hardened" and are not what the final production model actually is, or, these cert labs are being paid off under the table to just approve the product.

Countless times I've seen stuff that nowhere near meets acceptable radiation levels.

 

[mmckenna]

I would assume the units that go to cert labs are usually either "hardened" and are not what the final production model actually is, or, these cert labs are being paid off under the table to just approve the product.

Countless times I've seen stuff that nowhere near meets acceptable radiation levels.

AKA: "The Volkswagen method".

 

[KF0NYL]

This will have an effect on a lot of consumer electronics. It will cover pretty much any device that emits some form of RF.

When it comes to radios, some brands are better than others no matter where they are made at. I'll take a TYT, Wouxun, or Xiegu radio over a Baofeng or other CCR radios. Those three are cleaner when it comes to spurious emissions and also less susceptible to interference.

I'll never recommend anyone buy the Icom IC-T10 as they are no better than a Baofeng when it comes to interference and front end overload. Maybe I got a bad one but it was a waste of money for me.

One item I would love to see the FCC crack down on are the ultra sonic pest deterrent devices. They are supposedly safe for humans and we aren't suppose to hear them. I can tell you from personal experience that is false. The neighbor put a bunch of these out in her yard to keep feral cats away. They sure didn't scare the cats off but they hurt my ears and give me bad headaches. And yes I can hear them click all day long.

 

[MUTNAV]

One item I would love to see the FCC crack down on are the ultra sonic pest deterrent devices. They are supposedly safe for humans and we aren't suppose to hear them.

How about the lasers that are rated at less than 5 mw, but turn out to be much more powerful

Thanks
Joel

 

[KF0NYL]

How about the lasers that are rated at less than 5 mw, but turn out to be much more powerful

Thanks
Joel

Yes those need to be regulated also. I bought one that suppose to be 5 mw but it is hot enough to seriously burn skin and start paper and leaves on fire. I keep that put up so no one uses it.

 

[YalekW]

And these are some more reasons why I never chose to get into transmitting on the air...

 

[speedway_navigator]

One item I would love to see the FCC crack down on are the ultra sonic pest deterrent devices. They are supposedly safe for humans and we aren't suppose to hear them. I can tell you from personal experience that is false. The neighbor put a bunch of these out in her yard to keep feral cats away. They sure didn't scare the cats off but they hurt my ears and give me bad headaches. And yes I can hear them click all day long.

Way back in my teenage years I could hear burglar alarm motion detectors and some traffic detectors. Since it's audio I don't know if anyone can regulate it. I've read where some convenience stores have something similar to keep teens from hanging out in front.

A former owner of my home was allergic to cat poop. He got tired of picking it up in his yard so he set traps and caught them. He worked early in the morning so he would take the traps to the desert and release the pretty kitty there. A few days later the light poles and mail box would have lost cat posters.
I let mother nature take care of my cat problems. Wile E. Coyote won

 

[AM909]

Way back in my teenage years I could hear burglar alarm motion detectors and some traffic detectors. Since it's audio I don't know if anyone can regulate it. I've read where some convenience stores have something similar to keep teens from hanging out in front.

What a creative solution, right up until they get sued for intentional infliction of emotional and physical distress.

My parents thought I was nuts or just fooling around when I complained about the home entertainment section of the department store and the blaring flyback transformers until someone explained it. Conveniently, by the time I had any money to spend there, my high-pass filter moved down to a more human(e) frequency.

 

[AM909]

Low-pass filter cutoff, that is.

 

[speedway_navigator]

I cannot tell you how many vehicle-born products I've come across with cert lab approvals on them and FCC ID numbers that are gross radiators, to the point I could fail their certification in the field using a service monitor.

I imagine it will only get worse as the VxV or whatever the buzzword is for vehicle to vehicle comms is called now, plus vehicle to everything.