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And back to the topic, an RPV such as this or any other should be utilized by L.E.A.'s in the same manner as an occupied aircraft, with the same legal limitations. No snooping for snooping's sake. The limited range of the R.C. equipment will help with...
 

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that, in that the operator would have to be in the same neighborhood. With a proper warrant, et al in most cases (unplanned SWAT callouts notwithstanding).
Local privacy laws affecting the general public may vary by state/municipality, but I wouldn't...
 

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want an HOA using it to snoop around the developement, either. Nor would I want the city/county code compliance officer snooping. Yes, I think it'd be a neat toy to have, but I'd respect my neighbors privacy while playing with it.
 

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And back to the topic, an RPV such as this or any other should be utilized by L.E.A.'s in the same manner as an occupied aircraft, with the same legal limitations. No snooping for snooping's sake. The limited range of the R.C. equipment will help with...
I would hope the FAA enact some regulations on "commercial" (anything non-hobbyist) use of RC aircraft, and that Congress does the same. I can understand their use in incident awareness and safety, but municipal or HOA snooping, paparazzi, or other uncharted waters around privacy or unlawful search would be an issue (caveat: I'm not a lawyer, not even close).

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I say limited because of limited operational range, the ground operator would have to be close by plus it only has a daylight camera or FLIR, not both due to weight restrictions. No way a Night Sun can even be considered. Still like robots already in use it has a practical application.

There's no reason why these things can't be extended range. Don't just look at it from the 26/51/72/440 MHz control standpoint. Near-zero latency can be achieved from low-Earth orbital satellites. There's a ton of them above us. We also have ubiquitous broadband being deployed both commercially and in the incipient stages for public safety. With some AI features, these things could be programmed with a basic flight plan, some if:then scenarios, and then return following their sortie without ever being touched or communicated with by anyone until they're ready to be refueled or serviced.

There's also no reason why these can't be scaled-back airframes from production models. 1/3 scale helicopters could carry sufficient equipment to power FLIR, illumination, and video, not to mention ALPRS, facial recognition, and whatever else could be jammed in without having to carry 300 - 500# of human freight. They'd be cheaper. A non-human payload might mean they could also scale back maintenance. Fly around, gather intel, and alert on detection. No one owns the airspace over your property. Ahhh, technology!

I don't consider myself a tinfoil hat guy, but just to give yall's the warm Thursday fuzzies, what would happen if a large private venture wanted to provide UAV patrol services to municipalities, like red light cameras, where the company deploys the cameras and shares (usually a relatively small) percentage of it's revenue with the municipality? It would be one thing getting a ticket from a police officer who observed something, but what about from a contractor? What would happen if the contractual agreement stated the imagery and other data collected was the property of the private entity and could be sold at their pleasure. Can't be done? Websites and various Internet marketers are already doing this. Just ask Google Adsense, Google Analytics, Quantcast, and VigLink. Deductive and inferential statistics are their core business. And then think about that combined with even more layers of data. And, what might the mayor and council of a cash-strapped community do with staffing levels when presented with an out-sourced solution that reduces headcount and future pension pay-outs but still maintains field presence?

Guys, this could be a plausible scenario. Maybe not now, but someday if we don't press our legislators. I'll shut up now. I suppose I've strayed off topic a little.
 

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I'm sure there are a lot of police departments that would love to get their hands on one. I imagine in the future... a call comes into police headquarters about a situation and there are no officers available at that moment to respond. The desk officer then programs the location into the onboard GPS and the drone lifts off and heads to the scene and immediately begins to feed video back to headquarters and to video screens in patrol cars. There could be a built-in PA system where the desk officer can broadcast a message to the effect that police are on their way. I believe they have already been used in some countries to monitor and photgraph large groups of people engaged in protests.

More than likely not to far into the Future:) LOVE AND BLESSINGS
 

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next

next thing to do is closecall on outside antennas
but video is probably in 2.4 or 5 ghz range
 

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want an HOA using it to snoop around the developement, either. Nor would I want the city/county code compliance officer snooping. Yes, I think it'd be a neat toy to have, but I'd respect my neighbors privacy while playing with it.

It's already been documented that some code enforcement agenices/building departments are using Google Earth to spot unlicensed pools, decks, sheds, patios, additions, garages and other structures hidden behind fences or not visible from the street.
 

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If anyone is interested in wanting to see how advanced AAT FPV hobby systems have become over the past couple of years, visit

Maybe it's the best Tracking Antenna? - RC Groups

Some of the posts reference video RF.

I've seen designs that incorporate a remote controlled Matchstiq RF transceiver.
Wow! Thank you for posting that! I've been looking for a steerable antenna system for air-to-ground for a little while. That is SLICK!
 

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It's already been documented that some code enforcement agenices/building departments are using Google Earth to spot unlicensed pools, decks, sheds, patios, additions, garages and other structures hidden behind fences or not visible from the street.
When I was in the 9-1-1 business a few years ago, before Google Earth, we used to do aerial orthophotography for street centerline data. The tax assessor's office used to want all that material. Would not have minded sharing, except they were one-way and wouldn't share back.
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Good grief man, we're talking about model aircraft drones, not a full blown Predator.
You know the Beltway Bandits will eventually worm their way in with all kinds of "must haves" for the homeland.
 

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Code enforcement agencies using Google Earth? Aside from it being software that manipulates images from Google Maps it doesn't show anything the straight down view doesn't show, merely bends the image. That being said, the images are years old, some going back so far colors look different and resolution is far less in the same scene. If my new neighbors' pool is illegal "they" will never know it, the aerial view is so old the old rooming house torn down several years ago still shows.

Thanks for the laughs but I don't know whether to laugh at your misinformation or those agencies if it happens to be correct.
 

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Been to Google Earth lately?

Google Earth in my area was updated very recently, about 6 months ago. Also Google Street View is not from a satellite, but a car with an elaborate camera system. It appears some folks don't know much about Google Earth.
 

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Code enforcement agencies using Google Earth? Aside from it being software that manipulates images from Google Maps it doesn't show anything the straight down view doesn't show, merely bends the image. That being said, the images are years old, some going back so far colors look different and resolution is far less in the same scene. If my new neighbors' pool is illegal "they" will never know it, the aerial view is so old the old rooming house torn down several years ago still shows.
Every few years as budget permitted, we hired a company to do photographic flyovers to make orthographically corrected photos. Later on, a guy from Pictometry came by to make his pitch for oblique imagery. This is what you get from Bing maps, except the resolution of what they were selling could read license plates. It looks like the really choked down the zoom on what's publicly posted. The tools also had the ability to measure scale distances and rotate the image.

I've seen the Google car. Odd.
 

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Yep, it's odd

I can see the shadow of the Google car in the street view in front of my house, Also, I have seen an actual Google camera car, and it is indeed odd looking.
On the other hand, Bing maps and pics are WAY out of date in some cases.
 

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What possibly could go wrong with a bunch of felons firing their illegally "owned" handguns at a small camera from 100 feet away in a very densely populated area?
 

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Code enforcement agencies using Google Earth? Aside from it being software that manipulates images from Google Maps it doesn't show anything the straight down view doesn't show, merely bends the image. That being said, the images are years old, some going back so far colors look different and resolution is far less in the same scene. If my new neighbors' pool is illegal "they" will never know it, the aerial view is so old the old rooming house torn down several years ago still shows.

Thanks for the laughs but I don't know whether to laugh at your misinformation or those agencies if it happens to be correct.

Smile! Aerial Images Being Used to Enforce Laws | Inside Google
 

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I can see the shadow of the Google car in the street view in front of my house, Also, I have seen an actual Google camera car, and it is indeed odd looking.
On the other hand, Bing maps and pics are WAY out of date in some cases.

While out driving a few months ago, one of those camera-cars passed near me twice in one week. In both cases I extended them a warm, friendly Jersey salute......er, hello!
 
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