As of this evening, the Edison TRS started to experience some problems with their repeaters - it almost sounds like they have interfearence on it. Police is currently operating on OEM Ch. 1 in analog.
Edison TRS woes
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UPDATE:
Fire Department has switched over to OEM Channel 2 - Analog
EMS switched over to OEM Channel 3 - Analog
Fire Department has switched over to OEM Channel 2 - Analog
EMS switched over to OEM Channel 3 - Analog
Edison TRS Break-down
Stop the Press - the police couldn't conduct business in their "secret, haha no one can hear us mode," that's a SHAME! I also noticed interference on the digital TG's for the past two days prior to them switching over to the analog format temporarily. Don't forget, they also have a PD Tac channel (unknown freq) in simplex mode in the event that the TRS goes totally out; and even access to several surrounding area PD repeaters for operations as a back-up. I guess the saying "Can you hear me now" failed at some point yesterday in P25!
Stop the Press - the police couldn't conduct business in their "secret, haha no one can hear us mode," that's a SHAME! I also noticed interference on the digital TG's for the past two days prior to them switching over to the analog format temporarily. Don't forget, they also have a PD Tac channel (unknown freq) in simplex mode in the event that the TRS goes totally out; and even access to several surrounding area PD repeaters for operations as a back-up. I guess the saying "Can you hear me now" failed at some point yesterday in P25!
Edison PD monitorable (for now)
Well, Edison PD is currently operating on the 911 TG on the TRS as of 5 pm today, due to digital clarity issues (once again!) So, scan while you can before we can't until who knows when! If you do listen, dispatch is coming in low and clear, and mobiles are loud and clear, so no issues on your receiving end.
Well, Edison PD is currently operating on the 911 TG on the TRS as of 5 pm today, due to digital clarity issues (once again!)
So, scan while you can before we can't until who knows when! If you do listen, dispatch is coming in low and clear, and mobiles are loud and clear, so no issues on your receiving end.
elk2370bruce
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These problems are not new. Edison has had one hell of a continuing issue maintaining this TRS. For the amount of time down, the expense was certainly not justified.
I've been noticing the digital clarity issue myself - Half the time the scanner just hisses with them, at first I thought it was the scanner, but later confirmed it was them.
I said it once and will say it again P25 systems are not for Police, Fire and EMS. Can't wait until the Kearny Police System crashes and burns then they should fire Dowie !!
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These problems seem nothing new, I remember shortly after thier TRS went on-line, I found the Edison PD were dispatching on HPPD's Channel 1 (460.425), for a few hours one evening. Is was great to hear them again.
elk2370bruce
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I've heard the same. With the political changes since the system was installed, department level decision makers seem more inclined to express their disatisfaction.
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P25 has been proven to be a reliable system. As technology becomes more complex, it requires greater commitment to service. What I've seen for most system issues is that the entity that buys the technology wants something that is set-and-forget. They can't have that in more complex systems.mondaro said:
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Would this rumbling of "in the clear" still be digital but unencrypted, or just a plain old TRS?
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A question do you work in Public Safety ?? Well I do and I wouldn't want some clumsy system that needs service all the time and constant monitoring by radio repair, All this money we are pissing away on Radio Systems are better spent buying other needed equipment, If it's that important use the telephone.
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mondaro said:
I've worked in public safety for the past 27 years; the early part of my career as an urban firefighter and paramedic, the latter portion as a 9-1-1 coordinator serving 560 square miles and a population of 330,000. I also serve on regional and state communications oversight bodies within the area I currently reside.
If your particular system has a problem, that problem must be addressed. Analog, digital, no matter.
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And, I forgot to mention, I currently have a four year old P25 5 transmit site VHF conventional system which has been relatively trouble free and is more legible than the analog FM simulcast systems it is collocated with. The analog systems have phase distortion and noticeable nulls throughout the county. Alerting from the analog system to a hip-level Minitor-IV is only good when in close proximity to a site, otherwise there can be rapid fades. We have more incidences of service calls for the analog systems than the digital and have been able to keep the infrastructure going within a routine maintenance agreement.
Because of an inavailability of VHF frequency resources in my area, we will begin migrating to 700 MHz in a slow-growth implementation plan which would present many more options for system management.
As I stated in my previous post, the technology is sound. If there is a problem, the problem needs to be addressed. If the problem is a human issue - either at the administrator or service end, that particular human needs to be addressed.
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elk2370bruce
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Despite all the mumbo-jumbo, Edison's P25 system does not provide the operating capabilities that it was designed to provide. Never has and still doesn't. Poor administration ? Likely! Proper maintenance? Nope. Poorly trained personnel using the system? Defintely! The above comment is correct. The human component is the root of the issue. Public safety personnel (and their unions) are so busy fighting among themselves that there's little time to catch Edison bad guys - let alone hand a radio system properly.
902...
Ok, Then I don't have to tell you about the well documented problems with P25 systems.
These problems persist a lot more then a conventional and analog systems.
My point is the systems are a huge waste of money and in the end game will
get one of us killed some day.
Talking to the town next to me Kearny Police who has the system in place numerous
problems have been documented within the department and radio repair is on site
almost everyday.
Ok, Then I don't have to tell you about the well documented problems with P25 systems.
These problems persist a lot more then a conventional and analog systems.
My point is the systems are a huge waste of money and in the end game will
get one of us killed some day.
Talking to the town next to me Kearny Police who has the system in place numerous
problems have been documented within the department and radio repair is on site
almost everyday.
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My department canned digital a few years ago. After spending over a half million dollars on an Astro digital system, we are now back to analog. Why? It didn't sound as good as analog. Because no one liked it. Mainly, the top brass in the police dept.
My department canned digital a few years ago. After spending over a half million dollars on an Astro digital system, we are now back to analog. Why? It didn't sound as good as analog. Because no one liked it. Mainly, the top brass in the police dept.
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That's really a shame. Obviously a lot of money was invested in the system to let it go.elk2370bruce said:
I think what needs to be said is oftentimes it's the manufacturer's people pushing these systems who mislead, whether intentional or not, what these systems can/will do right out of the box. Agencies/counties/entities get wowed by all the promises a lot of these comm companies make to them; they are then unhappy after final cutover once they're told they need "additional" equipment to get to the coverage and/or feature-level that they were promised in the first place.
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