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I have yet to get anything that was in the clear. I'll keep checking.
El Paso going digital
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The only talk group I'm getting is NAC: 294h
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Experimenting with non phase 2 scanner to see what I get. I heard the squeaky sound with the encryption with that one talk group 294. This was using 155.055 Mhz.
I threw in the freqs in a xts1500. Heard faint digital modulation on the 155.2145 I believe it was may have wrong freq on mind right now but that one had some sort of modulation. I'm too far out. Not in clear you mean non encrypted? With them using the router ip simulcast I'm sure it's not vast like it use to be unless they patch or turn off some sites unless need be. El paso has always been big and good about patching and simulcast ing when need be then shutting it off.
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At times I was able to hear the one talk group I've found. I experimented with my GRE 500 and heard the sounds of encryption twice showing TG 294. It has that squeaky Donald Duck sound to it at times.
Playing around I don't have a phase 2 or trunk scanner. But do have phase 1 equipment. After doing some testing whatever that one talk group is is phase 1 and indeed fully strapped secure. It hasn't had constant activity non stop here and there merely. Being they also did cad mdt upgrades also so I'm sure allot goes through the mdts now then it use to. I also caught dps convo on the Mt Franklin repeater one asking another to go to Texas law. One told other to report to the location mentioned this morning they are ready for you. He said change out the old local radio in my unit? and other replied 10-4 followed by anymore questions give me a public service do not broadcast over air regarding this issue. It was interesting.
The unit ids I nabbed were 90006, 90008, 90003, 90026, 114, 90525, 94041, 94004 90631, 90049, 94030, 90066, and we're constant same ids. Traffic appeared to be a dispatch 114 and units the 90000s. Just from experience and catching short and long replies. Just a thought when the analog conv was in use I recall the Id 90066 with 2david66 on the old epso channel in mdc analog. The ids went as low as 90000 all way up to 90070. Spread out as a assigned radio obviously not in order. Appears the talk group go west mentioned may be the dispatch or secondary channel. Traffic had picked up and was continuous to a dispatch channel would be.
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The ids also match old ge id assignments on the ge radios burp use to put out. I should mention to fwiw everything was secure meaning encrypted that I picked up in digital format. Didn't hear any phase 2 modulation. Just aes r2d2. Nothing in clear.
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Called a old friend retired. He said from what he understands most is enc now and majority of deputies like it including sheriff wiles. City is suppose to follow suit. He said some is still simulcasted over the old ch 1 but not on the original mountain top. Just the local repeater horizon and the small towns pd used to scan county. But eventually all the patching or simulcast to the old will cease once horizon San Elizario and Anthony side in texas get upgraded to apx series equip. From what I understand those small towns will enc also. I asked about Anthony more because it is a dual city half in new mexico half in texas. I guess the Texas Anthony will use the enc county end and the Anthony on nm side is following sunland park Santa Teresa snd dona ana sheriff's path. Cruces and dona ana will be getting Harris p25 dual banders 700 vhf in future while sunland is getting moto equip down road but currently using the xts/l series and some stragler moto analog radios still. Horizon I understand is already ready and can hear the new sheriff stuff. He said as far as he knew the open star border counties in Texas are going to enc with all the border safety stuff and dps eeventually in those will follow suit in vhf in no man's land and 700 within cities. From what I know one El paso head commissioner was a police chief there and big on officer safety. Then 2 smaller towns also have ex police officers on commissions who are for secure safety comms.
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Thanks for sharing that information. I would guess that in the next ten years or so nearly everything would be encrypted.
From what I understood what has helped with the decision to utilize the securing initially on roll out was the incident several months back where a El paso officer was conducting a typical violation traffic stop and upon returning to his vehicle to run the license through the cad another vehicle pulled up as he had his back turned to the road getting into his unit and shot him in the back. Speeding off. It ended up being a gang member. Basicslly allot wasn't printed about it but the gang member had a new scanner not a app and Basicslly targeted the officer at random monitoring the city. It was never mentioned publicly and this along with numerous issues with drugs and border situations from El paso to hudspeth with runners and coyotes on this end being caught with 2 ways or scanners. I know hudspeth will plan to use enc but not sure how full they'll use it. They are spread thin and it's been concern of the sheriff as they know in past runners have used scanners or two ways with there freq. But i think what did it was the gang member in El Paso targeting the one officer at random. There is a video on YouTube of it from units dash cam still I believe. Sheriff wiles is a really good sheriff and open to public. But his departments risks and safety are number one. When it comes to the E issue there is allot the news and public doesn't know about that occurs with the border issues. It's been a issue since the chihuahua violence got bad. Granted it's calmed now but allot still occurs that isn't spoken of. I know there was issues in the south east elp county where deputies were out numbered and communications were issue. So instead of facing any lawsuits from a officers family or worse it was decided to use securing. Majority of the political end in El Paso was former law enforcement or has a son or relative in it. So there never is a question to what they need when they ask for it.
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I heard a control channel today on 154.650.
Still the enc garble?
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Still encrypted. Also heard 155.055 as a control channel briefly today.
I was in a different vehicle tonight and a Federal agency near by uses the 155.055. I thought maybe they had changed something as I heard the r2d2 garble all night Scanning wide primary zone 2. After looking into it it was the control channel you mentioned from El paso. Pretty strong signal. I guess the vehicle I used had digital csq on as It was a analog only channel out here. Very annoying and turned it in to shop. As it hung on scan all night every time 155.055 kicked on from epso strong enough to cut analog end out. Shame that it is enc bc boy the signal does kick out far. I also noticed that since it's simulcast and way they have it set up allot of the convo stays on the selected cc for a bit then hops to another after period of time not immediately as a typical trunk would Be. By watching this lately one could easily scan if they were in clear on a digital non trunked equip And follow the convo. I've watched ids and activity even busy is easily followed In a basic scan mode. Seems nobody keys in while dispatch and a unit is talking. Either they kept to that old method or nobody told them while one talks another on another site can key in. It would be nice if they eventually opened 1 back up and used 2 as the sec. But doubt that'll happen. Even during the recent incident they had eppd mobile command on 54 patching epso and eppd onto a vhf interop with low power to comm with otero end. None of there primary was opened. By look of it there using the features pretty good with interop to outside agencies Sticking to the vhf and 700 interop channels. As for the one thread someone saying they caught eppd patching with fort bliss in the 400mhz for joint task narco it don't surprise me.
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I check them a few times each day to see if there is anything different that's noticeable. So far there isn't that I can tell. I do check on the military systems in the 400's as well.
I'd say it's safe to say with submission to db they are enc. Just have to I'd the freqs and sites and a submission. Not a peep clear. I haven't heard the old vhf recently how about your end any faint old vhf still or it gone silent on the old finally?
I'm surprised we been only 2 chiming in on El paso. Either we nailed it all and everyone's waiting or they don't notice. I'd imagine the forum will chime up of where did they go when the city follows the counties enc path which there going to this year. Least I don't live in that area. But was good to hear old El paso sometimes from out here.
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