FFIeld County FAPERN test

[nhfdcadet]

Cadet and APX you are indeed entitled to your opinions.

I'm sure you can understand that on a forum like this that's full of scanner fans who enjoy the hobby, like to be aware of their surroundings and what is going on in their community, you will find a lot of people who disagree with you here. LOL.

I enjoy listening to the scanner at home myself. I also know that sometimes people will carry a scanner during commission of a crime to keep ears on the pd, thats a big reason why I have my opinion. Also because I see private information get posted all over facebook a lot, which always starts with "I heard this on the scanner"

 

[trentbob]

I enjoy listening to the scanner at home myself. I also know that sometimes people will carry a scanner during commission of a crime to keep ears on the pd, thats a big reason why I have my opinion. Also because I see private information get posted all over facebook a lot, which always starts with "I heard this on the scanner"

A subject that is OT here and probably not worth the effort to discuss but in my 50+ years of monitoring, many of those years as part of my job as a newspaper reporter, people like ham operators, First Responders, serious hobbyist and media types have spent the money for sophisticated equipment and learned how to program it to listen with good intentions. Often resulting in assisting law enforcement as in many cases I can think of in my situation.

So when you refer to criminals listening to the police or people sharing inappropriately information on Facebook to be more accurate they may not actually be listening to a scanner.

Most criminals are stupid, but they're not too stupid to own a phone.

There are many forces working against us to destroy the hobby including this Joker who is illegally going on public service bands with his shenanigans.

I was just making an observation in defense of Darkness, qualifying her displeasure with some of the comments made. I know her style and she was being very polite and restrained LOL. It's all good and really isn't worth the effort to talk about it.

 

[WoodburyMan]

They can definitely track the person doing it. Ham radio operators are trained how to do this. Its called foxhunting. You get a group of guys together from that area. All you need are radios receiving the signal. Figure out what area the guy is in, then break out your maps and compasses and triangulate the signal. Its actually easy to do and fun. I used to participate in foxhunts many years ago with the ham radio just for fun. Being that it is on analog frequencies makes it even easier for anyone to foxhunt this guy. It makes me wonder if this is still the same guy from back around 2013 when LCD was getting messed with by the guy in Mass. He had a boafeng radio and was causing Public safety calls to be diverted and putting out fake calls. Its hard to get hams out there to help with this because most hams are off on HF frequencies talking around the world. They dont care for VHF/UHF communications (where this guy is sitting causing a load of it for public safety). Its one of the reasons I gave it up. The sad part about all of this is that the FCC doesnt care one bit about this. Until it goes on too long and/or a life is lost, they wont bother catching the person causing issues on the radio. Ive seen it happen several times in CT before.

Being a HAM as well, one or two members of the club I am in have been asked by AARL/FCC to triangle some offenders on HAM repeaters and such as well.

In addition to that guy in 2013 messing with either LCD or NWD and diverting calls, there was another before that that used MURS frequencies that Walmart uses and broadcast some bad stuff over one of the Walmarts in the state's radios causing a panic and evac of the store.

Both of those were met with full force of the law quickly. This person.. burping into the Mic... may be a disruption, but it's at least not causing panics or redirecting public safety calls. Priority is low.

I enjoy listening to the scanner at home myself. I also know that sometimes people will carry a scanner during commission of a crime to keep ears on the pd, thats a big reason why I have my opinion. Also because I see private information get posted all over facebook a lot, which always starts with "I heard this on the scanner"

I use it to know what's going on around me. Lucky for me I set up stationary scanners in the towns I frequent so I have ProScan record and also broadcast over the internet PRIVATELY (private link, no public feeds). Oxford, Woodbury, Southington mostly. I turn it on if I hear sirens near me. The other week myself and 10 others, both on the sidewalk and crossing the road on the Farmington Canal Trail on Center St, were almost run over by a car doing 50+ the wrong way on Center St. Ears on quick and heard there was a stolen car that matched the description that took up on them. Flagged down an officer, pointed them in the right direction, listened and that night they had the car back and got the driver that matched the description a bunch of us saw. Also we had gunshots in my area one night 2am last summer, twice actually, in little old Woodbury. One was defensive to scare off someone trying to steal a car, but resulted in an officer driving up our long set back driveway at 3am with full search lights, my ProScan recordings helped figure out why that happened and happy they did. The other was some actual mischief by some kids, but itut my mind at ease knowing what was going on and they were on top of it.

I for one am happy they have encrypted tactical channels, but dispatch is in the clear on CLMRN. On the old Smart Zone II system the Emergency Response Unit TalkGroups were in the clear, the states SWAT essentially. There were things being broadcast on there in the clear no one should be able to hear that could have put the officers in danger, positions, views, etc. These TG's are now Encrypted, as they should be being their tactical channels. Each CSP also has their own encrypted channel for Personal ID transmission as well and I've never seen them used, but can be for operations in a quick pinch. Waterbury has their VICE TG encrypted, dispatch in clear. I think these all have a good balance of public safety and safety of responders with this setup. Encryption for the sake of encryption, especially on dispatch channels, is stupid and lacks government transparency, but for tactical channels I fully support it.

 

[APX7500X2]

This person.. burping into the Mic... may be a disruption, but it's at least not causing panics or redirecting public safety calls. Priority is low.

Stratford made the change when he called officer needs assistance over the radio and the entire on duty police force responded to nothing.
According to a friend that is a retired Stratford Sargent they had the FCC in and confirmed he is mobile and moves a lot when he making sounds, he also stops for 3 or 4 days then will do it once and stop for 6 days and on and on.
And i'm sure he is enjoying reading about himself on here also

As for the encryption issue, the smart move would be to work with the departments and get agreements for a delayed feed to broadcastify for encrypted channels.
If all everyone does is get mad about it and post here, then slowly every PD will go away

 

[WoodburyMan]

Stratford made the change when he called officer needs assistance over the radio and the entire on duty police force responded to nothing.
According to a friend that is a retired Stratford Sargent they had the FCC in and confirmed he is mobile and moves a lot when he making sounds, he also stops for 3 or 4 days then will do it once and stop for 6 days and on and on.
And i'm sure he is enjoying reading about himself on here also

As for the encryption issue, the smart move would be to work with the departments and get agreements for a delayed feed to broadcastify for encrypted channels.
If all everyone does is get mad about it and post here, then slowly every PD will go away

See in theory they just need to change to P25 trunked system of some sort. Or any digital system really. Every radio can be programmed and authorized on the system, and unknown radios rejected. Encryption isn't necessarily the answer to those situations, just control. Helps if radios are misplaced or stolen as well. Unfortunately, many people selecting systems don't know the technical details, and simply want privacy and get encryption when it's only needed for say Tac channels.

 

[APX7500X2]

See in theory they just need to change to P25 trunked system of some sort. Or any digital system really. Every radio can be programmed and authorized on the system, and unknown radios rejected. Encryption isn't necessarily the answer to those situations, just control. Helps if radios are misplaced or stolen as well. Unfortunately, many people selecting systems don't know the technical details, and simply want privacy and get encryption when it's only needed for say Tac channels.

Any digital system will not give the ability to reject radios, Trunk systems will.
Fortunately Statford knew all the technical details and chose wisely

 

[darkness975]

Any digital system will not give the ability to reject radios, Trunk systems will.
Fortunately Statford knew all the technical details and chose wisely

No they didn't
Encryption is not choosing "wisely."

The trunked system is the best option.

 

[nhfdcadet]

No they didn't
Encryption is not choosing "wisely."

The trunked system is the best option.

It is very wise if you only want authorized people to hear, and it keeps out those who have no business hearing it

 

[darkness975]

It is very wise if you only want authorized people to hear, and it keeps out those who have no business hearing it

You have your opinion and I have mine.
Respectfully agree to disagree.

 

[trentbob]

You have your opinion and I have mine.
Respectfully agree to disagree.

You are far too polite here, why do you waste your time with Pro encryption individuals who think you have no business pursuing your hobby on a forum full of people pursuing your hobby.

Face it, you are not authorized and leave it at that. As we've talked about I hate to see you waste your time here.

 

[nhfdcadet]

You are far too polite here, why do you waste your time with Pro encryption individuals who think you have no business pursuing your hobby on a forum full of people pursuing your hobby.

Face it, you are not authorized and leave it at that. As we've talked about I hate to see you waste your time here.

Guess thats the difference between when its a hobby and when its an occupation.

 

[doctordialtone]

"How to win friends and influence people"

 

[trentbob]

Yeah that's great that it's your occupation and I'm sure your comments would be appreciated on other forums with other people in your occupation but please understand rubbing it in the faces of people who are on this forum isn't appreciated.

You do have a right to post whatever you want, don't expect people here to like it but you have a right to do anything you want.

Haha, we appreciate your comment doc.

 

[doctordialtone]

Nothing anyone says in an online forum is going to influence any agency's decision to use Encryption, so his comments and opinion are inconsequential.

 

[darkness975]

Guess thats the difference between when its a hobby and when its an occupation.

There are plenty who are first responders as an occupation and still support open comms for primary dispatch channels.
The list of people around here that are calling for open comms on TAC/Swat/etc channels is very small because those channels should be secured due to the nature of what is done on them. But not the primary dispatch for general every day things.

Anyway, not to derail this thread any further, I will close out with that we all are entitled to our opinions.

Regarding the original post about the burping guy, I do wish individuals like that would disappear and find something more useful to occupy their clearly large amount of free time other than what they are doing.

Perfect world wishes and all that I suppose ...

 

[Thorndike113]

You are far too polite here, why do you waste your time with Pro encryption individuals who think you have no business pursuing your hobby on a forum full of people pursuing your hobby.

Face it, you are not authorized and leave it at that. As we've talked about I hate to see you waste your time here.

I cant stand pro-encryption people myself that are in the business of public safety. The only reason most of them want it is to feel special. "look at me, I talk on a special radio that YOU cant hear, ha ha ha ha ha!"

Ya know what I have to say to that? Go ahead and encrypt yourselves fully. Make sure NO ONE can hear you at all. One day you will be in an emergency situation where you could use the help of someone that happened to hear something over the scanner and knows more than you do about whats going on and their info could potentially save your life or that of someone else and you are not going to know. You could possibly be killed because a bit of information that a scanner listener knows isnt ever going to get to your ears. Someone could lose their life. It could be you. How do ya feel about your big bad encrypted signal now? Do ya feel special now?

For people like that, If something happens to them because a key piece of info could have saved them and they wanted to be secret on the radio, I do not feel bad one bit. I will actually walk away and laugh. Sounds cold and harsh but people need to realize, just because they are a fire fighter, police officer, EMT etc does not make them special. They are not higher than most human beings. They bleed the same blood as me. Watching their holier than thou attitude cause them harm or death makes me laugh. We are all human beings, we need to all work together. Thats my thoughts on the matter. But your point is valid. No sense in trying to get a pro-encryption person to understand how to be a human. Some of the pro-encryption people on some of these sites seem to be trolls anyhow just trying to start trouble and get people going.

 

[APX7500X2]

Nothing anyone says in an online forum is going to influence any agency's decision to use Encryption, so his comments and opinion are inconsequential.

I know 2 police departments in CT that went encrypted for comments made in an online forum, they had printouts of the comments and used them during meetings to show why they were doing it. I also know a few that went encrypted because the local FD was jumping calls or calling dispatch to ask why they haven't been sent yet (Nassau County LOL)
And the entire new 700mhz 3 state 20 site MTA system is encrypted for the exact same reason.

As i said above, people should be working with departments to get delayed steaming on line so everyone can still enjoy listening
or its just going to go away no matter how much we whine about it

 

[APX7500X2]

I cant stand pro-encryption people myself that are in the business of public safety. The only reason most of them want it is to feel special. "look at me, I talk on a special radio that YOU cant hear, ha ha ha ha ha!"

Wow, one of the most ignorant things I have ever seen. In my public safety department we have just over 2500 personnel, maybe 100 know they are using encrypted radios the other 2400 come to work and use the tools given to them to do their jobs, and don't feel big and bad because they are encrypted.

Your ignorant comments are exactly what is bringing an end to this hobby and im sure your comments bashing all public safety personnel have been copied and sent to people to use in their argument FOR encryption

 

[Lynch_Christopher]

As i said above, people should be working with departments to get delayed steaming on line so everyone can still enjoy listening
or its just going to go away no matter how much we whine about it

I have mainly stayed quiet on the whole encryption issue but I agree with what you said instead of everyone whining, how about people try to get together and come up with some sort of agreement so both sides get what they want and I believe delayed streaming is definitely better than nothing. I completely agree with APX7500X2

And the entire new 700mhz 3 state 20 site MTA system is encrypted for the exact same reason.

Also same thing with the PAPD right? Their new p25 system is completely zipped up fire included.

 

[Thorndike113]

Wow, one of the most ignorant things I have ever seen. In my public safety department we have just over 2500 personnel, maybe 100 know they are using encrypted radios the other 2400 come to work and use the tools given to them to do their jobs, and don't feel big and bad because they are encrypted.

Your ignorant comments are exactly what is bringing an end to this hobby and im sure your comments bashing all public safety personnel have been copied and sent to people to use in their argument FOR encryption

Well then, You havent met some of the people I have met. And I said (speaking of the pro-encryption people) MOST not ALL. There is a happy balance that can be had. Some of the people I have met actually act like kids and think they are better than others because of the type of radio they talk on. Im glad ALL of the people you know that talk on encrypted radios are professional and dont care either way, and probably dont know they are talking encrypted. Im not here to get into it with someone over encryption. Departments are going to do what they want whether we like it or not. When I commented, I was only referring to the crowd of pro-encryption public safety people, Not all public safety. So when it comes down to it, with your knowledge of the exact number of pro-encryption public safety people, How many people is that exactly? Probably a small handful, literally.