fleetnet zone 2

[captain_crash911]

Ihave noticed in the last couple of days that ems paging 194.440 from ottawa cornwall and lancaster has been coming into the kingston area??? are they switching over soon

 

[jellotor]

Maybe...maybe not. The conventional wisdom on when CACCs switch to Fleetnet and what precedes the switch goes something like this: if you hear testing on analog talkgroups that are marked for the CACC and new voice channels are being added to local sites, it's getting closer.

Someone posted a link on scanont of a PDF file from what looks like a presentation to a municipality. It was a useful look at what the procedure is the government has laid out for the switch It noted that Phase 3 involves the final installation of equipment at the CACC after the ambulances and hospitals are outfitted. Someone else may have the link...I seem to have misplaced it.

 

[DaveH]

Ihave noticed in the last couple of days that ems paging 194.440 from ottawa cornwall and lancaster has been coming into the kingston area??? are they switching over soon

That would be 149.440...

That may be because of enhanced propogation lately with the warmer weather. In the early morning I can hear a variety of sites normally out of range of Ottawa, including Demorestville (Kingston), Harrowsmith, Mountain Grove etc.

I'll check my Trunker logs for MOH talkgroups. Problem is, they all go into one file, and you lose track of which site they came from.

MTO in Ottawa is in the process of switching over in the new 1-2 weeks, I have been told.

Dave

 

[OntarioScannerNut]

Quite possibly it could've just been conditions. http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/tropo.html from the looks of things. Sunday the 18th looks like it could prove to be an interesting day.

149.440 is a provincial paging frequency, which doesn't look to be changing any time soon.

If you think they've switched, your best bet is to scan the frequencies that are available to you in your area on the fleetnet towers. And listen for any analog radio transmissions. MTO in eastern Ontario will be very soon going to fleetnet probably within the next few weeks. In which case you'll be able to open up a few more channels in the scanner as the old frequencies won't be of much use anymore and more than likely be recycled into the fleetnet frequency plan.

 

[DaveH]

MTO in Ottawa has switched. They are on 2KANATA right now.

So XMN98 on 143.940 is history. I used to listen to road reports as far back as when they were on 158.760. I also remember the North Augusta guy on 164.025 (XLS415) who sounded like he was full of Helium

Dave

 

[hemi]

Fleetnet training

I have a guy on my yahoo group who is a paramedic, and a friend who told me they have begun radio traing and the switch to fleetnet in zone2 will be near the new year.

 

[IdleMonitor]

A message in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EasternOntarioScanning suggests otherwise. And that comes from a dispatcher for MTO.

All units in Eastern Ontario including Bancroft should be switched over in the next 2 weeks or so.

 

[jjg]

TTT:

Anyone Care to walk me through programming my pro-2067 to catch the MOH stuff from zone 2?

I've tried....and I've lost..... Scanner just about ended up out the window.

 

[mikewazowski]

A message in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EasternOntarioScanning suggests otherwise. And that comes from a dispatcher for MTO.

All units in Eastern Ontario including Bancroft should be switched over in the next 2 weeks or so.

Are we talking MTO or MOH?

I'm not sure how an MTO dispatcher would know the MOH's schedule.

BTW, the channel that the MOH units are referring to as the Kingston channel when travelling into the Kingston area would be the Kingston CACC talkgroup not PCOM as suggested by one of that group's members.

 

[jjg]

Are we talking MTO or MOH?

I'm not sure how an MTO dispatcher would know the MOH's schedule.

BTW, the channel that the MOH units are referring to as the Kingston channel when travelling into the Kingston area would be the Kingston CACC talkgroup not PCOM as suggested by one of that group's members.

I got it working........and btw most of Kingston CACC's area is switched over.....execpt the far east end.

 

[IdleMonitor]

Talking MOH. Dave was the one that mentioned MTO. But hey who's really reading these right?

Then your suggesting that all the MOH Units in eastern ontario have access to there talkgroups then. Ex. Ottawa, Renfrew, Cornwall right now. Well how is that then if they haven't been trained on the system yet or the radio coverage hasn't been tested for those regions?

Whey they switch to "Kingston District" then your saying all these are not switching to PCOMM but instead the fleetnet system?

If that's the case, then why hasn't the rest of eastern ontario switched then if they're already equipped to do so as you suggest?

Are we talking MTO or MOH?

I'm not sure how an MTO dispatcher would know the MOH's schedule.

BTW, the channel that the MOH units are referring to as the Kingston channel when travelling into the Kingston area would be the Kingston CACC talkgroup not PCOM as suggested by one of that group's members.

 

[IdleMonitor]

I was referring to the MTO dispatcher knowing about the MTO schedule, not MOH.

I'm not sure how an MTO dispatcher would know the MOH's schedule.

 

[mikewazowski]

Then your suggesting that all the MOH Units in eastern ontario have access to there talkgroups then. Ex. Ottawa, Renfrew, Cornwall right now. Well how is that then if they haven't been trained on the system yet or the radio coverage hasn't been tested for those regions?

What does training or radio coverage have to do with having access to talkgroups in a radio? Nothing! It doesn't take much training to show them how to switch to the CACC channel for a specific CACC dispatch area.

Why would units worry about coverage in Eastern Ontario when they're switching to the Kingston/Quinte CACC talkgroup in the Kingston/Quinte CACC coverage area? Once again, they don't worry. They're not using this one specific talkgroup anywhere but Kingston/Quinte.

And how do you know that coverage testing hasn't already been done? Chances are BMR is using data gathered during the acceptance tests of Zone 2. Since the OPP have been using the system for some time, most coverage holes are probably already known and no further testing will be done.

Whey they switch to "Kingston District" then your saying all these are not switching to PCOMM but instead the fleetnet system?

Yup, that's what I said.

If that's the case, then why hasn't the rest of eastern ontario switched then if they're already equipped to do so as you suggest?

You sure can read a lot into one simple message about units switching over to the Kingston CACC channel when in Kingston's coverage area.

I said units travelling into Kingston's area are probably using the Kingston CACC channel. This is pretty much the way things are done in Zone 1 of Fleetnet.

I said nothing about the state of affairs in other CACC areas. There's a lot more to switching over an area then the ambulance operators knowing how to switch to Kingston's CACC channel.

If units already have Fleetnet capable radios then chances are they contact Kingston on Kingston CACC. If they don't, then good ole PCOMM would be the choice.

 

[IdleMonitor]

Any idea why EMS dispatch criss cross county borders.

Ex. Renfrew CACC dispatches only Renfrew County, Into Bancroft (Hastings County) and into Lennox and Addington County, but only North of Hwy 7..

Why doesn't the CACC that covers the majority of the regional boundary cover those?

Ex. Kingston should cover all of Lennox and Addington not just portions and Hastings County.

 

[als_medic]

The CACC boundaries are open to change, but many have been where they are for many many years. Before downloading to the UTMs, the Previous Ambulance Services even, did not necessarily follow county/regional boundaries either, and often the CACCs were in line with the Ambulance Services. Now that the UTMs have taken over Ambulance Services, some CACC boundaries have been re-aligned. For example, before 2000 the east side of York region was served by a couple of services that spanned regional borders. The Oshawa-Markham Service and Uxbridge-Stouffville Service were both dispatched by Oshawa CACC, the rest of southern York region (south of Bloomington) by Mississauga CACC and North of that by Georgian CACC. They initially worked to get Oshawa out of the picture so you had the region split now into two CACCs responsibility and then Georgian CACC took over all of York Region dispatching and is now on Fleetnet: YorK North and South.
Does that help explain anything?

S.

 

[jellotor]

Not to hijack too much here but the assumption these days is that call centres (of any type...phone, cable, etc) can be based anywhere and first-hand knowledge of the geographical area isn't a necessity and can be trained-in later. All sorts of American companies have call centres here in Canada...

I also look to my own field...while TV master controls aren't exactly 'call centres' and may not need to directly communicate with the field, technology has made it so that regional stations (London, Kitchener, Hamilton, Ottawa, etc) can have their programming played back from one central location...usually Toronto.

A day could come when local news assignment is done predominantly from a central location. If it's technically possible to stream a scanner online it's an operational possibility.

I'm no expert on how CACCs work but you can fold back all of this technological change to a dispatching context: it's certainly possible for dispatching for various far-flung (and not necessarily geographically linked) areas to be handled by a single larger centre. Hellooo OPP Orillia/London/Smiths Falls comm centres...

Done hijacking now...