Frisco 800Mhz P25 TRS coming online

[bownasterm]

Approx where is pittman corners in relation to modern day plano..?

I moved here when i was 6 in 1996 so im not up to date with all this ancient plano/allen/frisco scanning history are there any sites with some info on it?

 

[Russell]

Approx where is pittman corners in relation to modern day plano..?

I moved here when i was 6 in 1996 so im not up to date with all this ancient plano/allen/frisco scanning history are there any sites with some info on it?

Custer and 15th. -Russell

 

[VictorXray]

With Frisco moving to their P25 system, will the current Plano tower be relocated more to the east or remain in it's current location? It seems less optimum to keep the tower at the Hillcrest location if Frisco is not on the system.

From what I've heard, the Hillcrest site will go away from the Plano TRS (Frisco is taking back their toys) and thus why Allen may host a new tower to take its place. Also, the current tower at City Hall will get moved east. But where exactly all the Plano sites and P25 coverage will be is dependent upon the results of an outside consultant's survey occurring over the next few months.

Of course, that's just some random mis-information being posted in the forums, so you probably shouldn't believe it.

 

[hiegtx]

From what I've heard, the Hillcrest site will go away from the Plano TRS (Frisco is taking back their toys) and thus why Allen may host a new tower to take its place. Also, the current tower at City Hall will get moved east. But where exactly all the Plano sites and P25 coverage will be is dependent upon the results of an outside consultant's survey occurring over the next few months.

Of course, that's just some random mis-information being posted in the forums, so you probably shouldn't believe it.

Maybe a month or two back, one of the local stations, I think Ch 8, had a story where residents of one neighborhood were upset that Plano was Plano was planning an "unsightly" radio communications tower in their vicinity. My gawd! They could see the thing! After all, THEIR consultant said it was unnecessary to use a tall one when you could multiple smaller ones that wouldn't stick out so much above the houses. :roll:

Edit: Found the story, it was Ch 8. Here's the link. (may require free registration)

 

[Russell]

Very interesting story. I like the homeowner/expert's line that "the city could achieve the same results with more, but shorter shorter, towers ... may cost a little more money". Doesn't "more, smaller" towers mean more transmitters, more intertower links and smaller coverage area? Public safety is not cellular, many units on the same channels over a wide area are better served by towers with larger footprints. Moneyrola would love to sell more transmitters and associated equipment, but the taxpayers and residents would hardly be better served with the "many, short" tower solution proposed by the homeowner in the story.

Ridgeview would certainly help the east side of Central, but losing the Hillcrest site in Frisco would leave the northern area in dire need of a tower.

 

[Firetxmi]

Lets see how they feel when their house is on fire or they are being robbed and there are dispatch problems.

 

[bownasterm]

Yeah i remember reading that article, i really dont understand why towers and things have such an affect on home values/ peoples feelings....

Personally if i lived near a tower i would not care/ignore it or even better enjoy it that im getting the best reception possible...seriously, its almost the same as those folks that choose to live near rail road tracks then whining about the horns.

So what do you guys think, will the new plano and frisco p25 systems run encryption?

 

[Russell]

So far, _most_ agencies have used encryption reasonably and only on certain sensitive channels. I expect Plano would follow suit. Allen PD, however, concerns me a bit as I suspect they would use encryption full time if they could. I met some of their command once as part of a city function and they would not even tell us how many cops were on the street at one time, nor would they show us any beat maps. So much for transparency, they were very secretive. I hope that small town PD attitude has changed as Allen is hardly small town anymore. Maybe their PD has grown up, too. We don't really want Allen Secret Police.

Russell

 

[bownasterm]

So far, _most_ agencies have used encryption reasonably and only on certain sensitive channels. I expect Plano would follow suit. Allen PD, however, concerns me a bit as I suspect they would use encryption full time if they could. I met some of their command once as part of a city function and they would not even tell us how many cops were on the street at one time, nor would they show us any beat maps. So much for transparency, they were very secretive. I hope that small town PD attitude has changed as Allen is hardly small town anymore. Maybe their PD has grown up, too. We don't really want Allen Secret Police.

Russell

Thats sort of how I feel about some Plano police... There are a few female officers that always seem to be quite rude and have an attitude to photographers and people with scanners exc... Thats what leads me to believe they would lobby for heavy encryption.

Dont get me wrong though, 98% of the other officers in Plano are awesome!!!

 

[Firetxmi]

As far as encryption goes, I imagine Narcotics and maybe a couple of other TG's (like K9) will go encryption. Other than that- I think it will pretty much stay in the clear.

I am amazed that the Narc TG's aren't encrypted as it is.

I have found many of the Plano PD officers I have encountered to be quite nice. It all depends on the manner and the situation in which you approach them, or are approached by them.

 

[Russell]

I strongly support all of our officers and respect the fact that they have a tough job. Most officer's I have met are very professional in Plano, Richardson, Dallas, DPS, etc. Allen PD has some issues outgrowing their adolescent ways. They are better than they used to be and improve every year, but there is still a small contingent, some of them in charge, that forget that anybody doing a good job will always bear any scrutiny and tend to want to operate in secret. There are operations that certainly benefit from secure comms and I strongly support that. However, these do not include normal daily operations and go against the grain of operating a modern, transparent department. There's no reason to hide.

I don't want to hijack this thread into an encryption discussion or Allen PD's growing pains, so let's return to the Frisco P25 system.

Thanks,
Russell

 

[mbstone99]

As far as encryption goes, I imagine Narcotics and maybe a couple of other TG's (like K9) will go encryption. Other than that- I think it will pretty much stay in the clear.

I am amazed that the Narc TG's aren't encrypted as it is.

I have found many of the Plano PD officers I have encountered to be quite nice. It all depends on the manner and the situation in which you approach them, or are approached by them.

I am surprised too about how little encryption is used around here. We are also lucky that there are a very minimal amount of non P25 systems that can be monitored. I think there is only one around here which is the Provoice system at the airport. Monitoring public safety stuff here sure as hell beats back home in Canada where a lot of cities are either going totally encrypted or have Provoice/AEGIS trunking/conventional systems. There is even one police department who protects a regional municipality (which is like a county here) which serves probably in around 500,000 people which uses Fido (like Nextel down here) for all their operations. Talk about being secretive sheesh!

To get back on topic has anyone been running UniTrunker on the Frisco trunk lately and seen anything new come up?

Matt

 

[bownasterm]

Hopefully when frisco gets their new P25 system they will upgrade the mics for the dispatchers...It always sounds sort of scratchy to me. Compared to Allen or Plano's dispatchers.

 

[mbstone99]

Frisco P25

Has anyone else noticed that the Frisco P25 trunk has changed their system ID and WACN from AD5 BEE07 to DDC 926F3. I just found that out today after I decided to run Unitrunker on it.

Matt

 

[redhelmet13]

Yep - the PSR500 is showing the same.

Ed

 

[mbstone99]

Frisco P25

Since I started running Unitrunker under the new System ID/WACN I logged some activity today. The other days that I have been running Unitrunker there was no activity at all so it looks like they are still just testing it.

Frequencies: 856.6125, 857.6125, 858.1875, 858.6125
Talkgroups: 501, 502, 503, 504, 506, 701, 702, 703
Radio ID's: 11902, 11906

Matt

 

[KE5BCP]

I'm finally hearing an actual human voice on this system.

Talkgroup 703, "Testing 1-2-3-4...".

 

[mbstone99]

I'm finally hearing an actual human voice on this system.

Talkgroup 703, "Testing 1-2-3-4...".

Wow suprising!

A couple days ago I was hearing a P25 control channel on both 856.6125 & 858.6125 both are possible cc frequencies for this system. The one on the 856.6125 I could decode with Unitrunker no problem but couldn't get 858.6125 to decode for some reason.

Matt

 

[Firetxmi]

One of these days (hopefully soon), I will park my Pro-96 on a Frisco CC all day and decode what comes in on Pro96com. I am kind of waiting for more activity to pop up so it isn't a boring log though, and so I can hopefully contribute some new info the the database.

 

[rdwilson]

Allen moved from VHF 155.565 some 20+ years ago to the Plano TRS. Allen had nothing but VHF equipment and Plano was UHF. How do I know? I was there programming and repairing radios then and still doing it today.

LOL, The PD in Allen was kind enough to write a letter for me releasing 155.565 for use as Rockwall PD's repeater output when we split from the SO's repeater way back when. You might have been the one that signed off on that.