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Well I'm thinking about trying to get a repeater on a mountion top in rural montana. The mountion is the highwoods. They are all national forest servise land. There are at least two toers up there I know of, one being the air forces tower that also serves local and state emergency servises and I'm not sure about the other. How much of a task would you all think it would be to get a repeater up there? And the cost? I'm well aware of what the repeater it's self cost. Thanks for your input!
 

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the biggest work ahead is contacting the site managers and drafting up a lease. you can pretty much forget any Federal site, you will get more homeland security red tape, and as a private individual, they will tell you flat out NO.

State and local governments usually are only slightly warmer- more so to entities they have working relationships with, i.e. CERT teams, RACES/ARES, and even then there is a process to go through. Again, as a private individual you will have a tough sell. They will be concerned about: 1)your presence there 2)interference to their operations, 3)-liability (do you have professional liability insurance? and of course, what benefit does it do for the site owner to have you co-locate? If you aren't paying rent, you have to be prepared to bring something to the table. Free tower sites are few and far between.

This is just the beginning. ASSuming you are granted permission IN WRITING (very important I might add), you can only do what is allowed in your lease. The agency may want you to use their approved tower crews to install antenna/feedlines, may ask for site surveys by their appointed RF engineers to ensure no RFI will occur, and then there is the cost of the antenna, feedline, lightning protection, power supply system, etc.

You should expect to budget a minimum of $5000 on the low end, $10K on the high end, to put your repeater on a professionally managed mountaintop site. This is of course, doing it right, and not cutting corners or bootlegging. This number could go up or down, we'd need to know more specifics like: the type of tower(s), available space, what tenants are there, what equipment is currently in use, the HAAT of the site, what your desired coverage is, etc to give a more accurate number. A good repeater antenna can run $2000 alone, good feedline isn't cheap either. Depending on who you are co-locating with, additional filters may be needed to ensure you don't interfere with someone else, and they don't interfere with you. This can be expensive.

As you can see, infrastructure is not cheap, and the most important part of the chain. Anyone can buy a repeater/duplexer and stick it up. Having it work well is another ball game in and of itself.
 

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Who owns the land where the towers are? (Contrary to popular belief the majority of our national forest land is privately owned.) Have you looked up on the FCC website to see who owns the towers?

If there is no cell service or its very limited you may have a very compelling reason to install a personal repeater there. As for what they would charge you or if they'll let you do it, you'd have to ask them.
 

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What MTS2000des said.

Getting site space in an Air Force owned site with other government radios inside, will be close to impossible. It's been known to happen, but you'd have to have some excellent contacts within the organization that owns the building, and a very compelling reason for them to allow it.

Wanting it there isn't compelling.

If the second building is a commercial site who's purpose is to lease space, expect to pay full commercial rates, which will vary wildly. In any case, expect the rate to be higher than you're willing or able to pay.
 

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I have tried too look up the towers and the only one shown as being up there is the air force tower. I guess this will make a good weekend hike to go up there and see if the second tower is marked in anyway. My guess is that it may not need to be registered do to its height. I think it may be owned by the Forest Service. The air force tower is relatively new, all the local emergency services moved from the old tower to the new one. Sounds like its a hike to the top to find out!
 

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I've removed all the grammar nazi posts. If someone can't reply with constructive advice then go piss off to the Tavern. This is the internet with all walks of life; learn to adapt or disconnect the cable.

We have worse members when it comes to typing and grammar on this forum so these pot shots were ridiculous. :roll:
 

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Well I'm thinking about trying to get a repeater on a mountion top in rural montana. The mountion is the highwoods. They are all national forest servise land. There are at least two toers up there I know of, one being the air forces tower that also serves local and state emergency servises and I'm not sure about the other. How much of a task would you all think it would be to get a repeater up there? And the cost? I'm well aware of what the repeater it's self cost. Thanks for your input!

What part of Montana are you in.I show only a few in Billings plus let me invite you over to our forums at myGMRS.com - GMRS Repeater Directory
 

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Let me tell what I have found.
In utah there are many, many tower sites.
Some BLM/USFS government sites. Unless you are a high member of volunteer RACES or emergency person with the county or state dont even try.

Ham sites, you can find some really nice guys. Some not so. Ham guys sometimes get a bit, well thats
a different story. They may let you, but really they are going to try to get you to get a ham license.


If your lucky your find someone that is has more of say of the building and tower and for $20-$40 bucks for power a month it can be done. But they really like 90% control. So building access will have to be with someone else every time. Another $10 or so for phone line use or IP access to control your repeater.
If you want battery and generator $$ goes up.

Then comes the site survey.. This can be free to allot of money.
This make sure you stuff does not mess with existing stuff.
Very cool to see if its not you paying.


All correct me if I am wrong about any of this..
 

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Another thing you might try, some businesses went from 2-way to cell…especially with narrowbanding…and no longer use their towers. You may also be able to convince them to allow you to "repurpose" their old repeater for a small monthly fee. Good way to get a tower or usable radios too…that would be why I have a few hundred feet of Rohn 25 on the ground and a few DB420's laying around.
 
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