GMRS HT that's also a decent scanner?

[Coffeemug]

I probably said this before, but I would like to see more GMRS or MURS radios with scanning capabilities for other services in digital modes.
For example, I would like to be able to program a GMRS radio to monitor AAR Channels for Railroads that use DMR or IDAS/NXDN while still able talk to my friends on GMRS Repeaters or Simplex. I'm able to use BTECH GMRS PRO as a scanner to monitor analogue systems, but for how long?

 

[merlin]

I got the Quansheng UV-K5(8), and it is terrific with or without the IJV mod.
Mine does GMRS very well, but this radio is not compliant under FCC rules. (who is ever gonna know)

 

[merlin]

I do a LOT of scanning with my portables also, and I've been pretty satisfied with my Yaesu FT70D since it's C4FM, but has a pretty sensitive receiver even Outside of the 2m/70cm bands. Granted, it's Not a Dedicated GMRS radio or type accepted as one, but for those of us who hold Both licenses it does well.

My K5 does rather well on am.

airband quality in a video and the guy said it was better than the K5 though. But he also said it puts out nothing on UHF low power which if true is a big problem.

TX on airband is inhibited and for very good reason. Receive works great.
As for UHF power, there are settings to adjust L/M/H power.

 

[Horseflesh]

My K5 does rather well on am.

TX on airband is inhibited and for very good reason. Receive works great.

I meant TX of UHF FM. The sample in the video review was basically defective in this regard with the lowest power putting out nothing the meter could detect.

I do not expect the radio to transmit AM airband.

 

[BucknB]

I just got the Wouxun KG-UV9GX, GMRS TX/RX, Dual Channel, 7 band scanning, plus NOAA and FM and Air Band.
I think this might be just the thing the OP was inquiring about!?

 

[Horseflesh]

That one is new to me, thanks @BucknB .

 

[MaxDonoghue]

I've got a Quansheng UV-K6, a Tidradio TD-H3 and just recently picked up a Radtel RT-890. The UV-K6 has the latest IJV firmware on it, and out of the three for airband receive, I still rate it the worst of the bunch. It sounds like you are listening through a 20KHz wide filter, even with a narrower bandwidth selected. Sounds like the low cut-off audio frequency is 1000Hz. The Tidradio and Radtel on the other hand sound much fuller on the audio. I live about 1.5kms from Kingston airport and my house sits right on a flight path, so it is not really a distance issue.

I'm still playing with the Radtel but so far I really like it. I like the one touch frequency scanner. Will have to go to Costco and check it out to compare against the Tidradio. They're all about the same price so grab as many as you can and experiment.

Max
VE3TMT

 

[Horseflesh]

I got a UV-K5(99) the other day, it was about $25 and I could not pass it up. It has been fun experimenting with the alternative firmwares. I would agree that even with the AM reception fix offered in all the 3rd party firmwares, airband performance is not great.

 

[Coffeemug]

I probably said this before, but I would like to see more GMRS or MURS radios with scanning capabilities for other services in digital modes.
For example, I would like to be able to program a GMRS radio to monitor AAR Channels for Railroads that use DMR or IDAS/NXDN while still able talk to my friends on GMRS Repeaters or Simplex. I'm able to use BTECH GMRS PRO as a scanner to monitor analogue systems, but for how long?

I probably should have never posted this comment, because it sounds as if I'm daydreaming. Besides, there several reasons why that wish will probably never be granted. Of course, I don't want to start listing reasons, so I'll shut up about having a GMRS or MURS and Analogue / Digital Scanner in one.

 

[a727469]

I probably should have never posted this comment, because it sounds as if I'm daydreaming. Besides, there several reasons why that wish will probably never be granted. Of course, I don't want to start listing reasons, so I'll shut up about having a GMRS or MURS and Analogue / Digital Scanner

Not legally for gmrs or murs but otherwise good for dmr and analog

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[jazzboypro]

Get the FCC ID (should be on the back of the radio) and run it through the FCC OET page and confirm that it is. FCC ID Search

There are a lot of Chinese Junk radios out there that do not have it. The Chinese do not care about US rules and regulations, all they want is your money and will sell you any steaming turd to get it.

Integrity is important.

I have the H3 and i found the FCC ID on the link you provided. There were a few documents available but i could not find anything about it's type acceptance status. I think FRS requires a fixed non removable antenna and this is not the case for the H3. Also since it can transmit on GRMS and/or 144/440 i guess it's not type accepted for GMRS ?

At any rate, i find the radio to be much too small for my tastes and i will probably give it to someone.

 

[Coffeemug]

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Back the truck up here. When I said that I wished that BTECH would have incorporated DMR and NXDN formats to their GMRS PRO. I wasn't referring to have the to use Digital Voice on GMRS, because I know that the FCC hasn't approved Digital Voice for FRS/GMRS.

I was referring the ability to monitor other radio services that are currently and will be using digital voice, such Amateur Radio and Railroads as well as other conventional systems, since the GMRS PRO was designed to be used on FRS / GMRS channels.

I just saying that be great to carry one radio for GMRS and a Scanner to Monitor other services while the ability to stay in touch with Family and Friends when out Railfanning or whatever.

I repeat I understand that Digital Voice, whether DMR IDAS/NXDN or P-25 is strictly prohibited on FRS / GMRS and MURS. I also assume that Digital Voice is strictly prohibited CB Radio, even though the FCC has granted permission to use Frequency Modulation.

 

[mmckenna]

I have the H3 and i found the FCC ID on the link you provided. There were a few documents available but i could not find anything about it's type acceptance status.

If you could please share the FCC ID, we can take a look

I think FRS requires a fixed non removable antenna and this is not the case for the H3.

Right. To be type accepted for FRS under FCC rules, it must not exceed 2 watts and must not have a removable antenna.

Also since it can transmit on GRMS and/or 144/440 i guess it's not type accepted for GMRS ?

A radio can have Part 95E type acceptance and still transmit on other frequencies. I use a Icom LMR radio for years that had Part 95E type acceptance and I had it programmed to work on 70cm amateur frequencies, also. All totally legal.

 

[jazzboypro]

If you could please share the FCC ID, we can take a look



Right. To be type accepted for FRS under FCC rules, it must not exceed 2 watts and must not have a removable antenna.



A radio can have Part 95E type acceptance and still transmit on other frequencies. I use a Icom LMR radio for years that had Part 95E type acceptance and I had it programmed to work on 70cm amateur frequencies, also. All totally legal.

Here is the FCC ID for the H3. Thanks for clarifying about the other stuff.

 

[mmckenna]

Here is the FCC ID for the H3. Thanks for clarifying about the other stuff.
View attachment 175668

That radio has been granted FCC Part 95E certification.

That means it can legally be used on GMRS. It is -not- an FRS radio.

While it also covers many other frequencies, the FCC only shows it as having Part 15 certification. Part 15 covers the "scanning receiver" only.

The only other place it could 'legally' be used in the USA is on the amateur radio bands. Amateur radio bands do not require type certification on the -transmitter-.

It is not type accepted for use on Part 90 (public safety/commercial LMR) frequencies.

 

[jazzboypro]

That radio has been granted FCC Part 95E certification.

That means it can legally be used on GMRS. It is -not- an FRS radio.

While it also covers many other frequencies, the FCC only shows it as having Part 15 certification. Part 15 covers the "scanning receiver" only.

The only other place it could 'legally' be used in the USA is on the amateur radio bands. Amateur radio bands do not require type certification on the -transmitter-.

It is not type accepted for use on Part 90 (public safety/commercial LMR) frequencies.

Many thanks for the info.

 

[mmckenna]

Forgot to add the link:

GMRS/Part 95E certification:

FCC - OET TCB Form 731 Grant of Equipment Authorization

Receiver/Part 15 certification:

FCC - OET TCB Form 731 Grant of Equipment Authorization

 

[n0xvz]

At any rate, i find the radio to be much too small for my tastes and i will probably give it to someone.

I'm good on QRZ....

 

[n0xvz]

That radio has been granted FCC Part 95E certification.

That means it can legally be used on GMRS. It is -not- an FRS radio.

I'm not an expert, but I thought FCC ID: 2A4FB TD831 was for ham radio, and FCC ID: 2A4FB TD831G was for GMRS.

 

[mmckenna]

I'm not an expert, but I thought FCC ID: 2A4FB TD831 was for ham radio, and FCC ID: 2A4FB TD831G was for GMRS.

You appear to be correct. I searched on 2A4FB TD831 only. Both the G and non-G came up in the search and I didn't realize it.

So, two separate radios. One is amateur radio only and the other is GMRS.

Neither one good to go on FRS or Part 90.