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KB2WVO

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hello.. i was goin to run dual SDRs for a p25 system. but seems unitrunker says it works better with a Dtap.. sooo iam goin to move another way ..

just scan around for the fun of it and monitor some channels..
now the issue is . the software i have found .. is trash ..
no memory channels so you can scan things you found and like to save..

scan speed of sdrsharp with the memory plug is .. is sooo slow.. no scan speed.. and only 10 memorys ...
so yeah not good..

what is floating around that is good and free.. or paid if worth it... has to have at least memory and scan speeds..

thank you ..
 

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Unitrunker works just fine with RTL sticks nowadays (using the preview builds available at: Index of /download/preview). I've been using Unitrunker for a long long time now and loved it ever since day one without any major issues that can't or haven't been resolved with updates.

SDR# is by far the most popular and probably (personal opinion) easiest to use SDR software for most folks. It does have memory functionality but you're better off adding the Frequency Manager Suite plugin which adds on that rather impressively and has no limitations on the amount of them (it's not the default frequency memory plugin, mind you, you have to install it yourself). As for scanning speed of programmed frequencies it can be quite fast depending on what you're doing and how many frequencies you're having to work with.

Other SDR applications like HDSDR and CubicSDR offer something similar but nothing matches the sheer breadth of what SDR# offers when you start adding in some of or all of the available plugins so that's probably going to be your best bet.

Unfortunately, nobody has created a truly proper "scanner" type application so far that literally takes an SDR hardware device and basically turns it into a scanner like what we're all familiar with in terms of classic scanning receivers. I doubt anyone will ever do that considering how limited scanners are in terms of what they're capable of - SDR software and hardware have basically become the next big thing in our monitoring hobby and there's no turning back now.

Having said that, if I could design and build my dream type device it would be a receiver with an open source operating system of some kind that would be fully user programmable meaning it could and would be capable of handling anything it's capable of receiving with even the potential of decoding encrypted comms as long as the authorized keys were provided (that's all I'll say about encryption/decryption).

But that's a ten million dollar pipe dream I suppose. ;)

Just for the record all I use nowadays are two RTL sticks, best $20 investment (I got both for $20 total) I've made in this hobby I've been part of since the early 1970s. I don't count the cost of the computer involved because that's a tool with other purposes and just happens to be relevant on the SDR side of things nowadays as a bonus. The two RTL sticks I use are pretty much on 24/7 since I bought them using Unitrunker to monitor a very large trunking system here in Las Vegas and I've never really had any problems at all with this setup.

I also use them along with Unitrunker and with DSD+ to monitor a growing P25 Phase I system here too - it's the same system I just mentioned but this is the conversion side moving to P25 which is now underway. Again, no real issues of any kind with the whole process, it works quite well actually. I'm hoping that someday DSD+ will be capable of handling P25 trunking by itself using FMP and perhaps even adding P25 Phase II decoding support, at least that's the hope (and I know I'm not alone there).
 

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ok sounds good.. i did install the FM plug in for sdrsharp.. i guess not use to it. i should try and figure out the memory thing. i know it has groups .. and such .. the F buttons sort of confuse me .. with how they work with the groups..


as for P25 tracking .. i wish i had your setup then lol ..
i got DSDP to read the C channel.. but uni no go.. tho the scoped show huge movement.. in uni..

i read the unitrunker setup.. and it doesnt work for me.. i click run on the control .. and nothing.. it shows nothing even after 10 or 15 mins ..
i guess ill plug away at it ..

if i dont get it goin.. i will use one for monitor 6 meters the magic band.. hard to monitor 3000 channels at once lol hi hi ..

maybe you should do a PDF or a video broadband..... might be very helpfuly to someone like me lol..
 

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The F buttons on the FM plugin are just there for quick access to a small number of the most popular memories/frequencies you'd want, you don't really use those for the scanning purpose (that's another part of the plugin).

There are plenty of guides available and even a number of YouTube videos on how to set up Unitrunker for monitoring analog trunked systems and also videos with adding DSD+ to monitor digital trunked systems alongside Unitrunker. Just gotta do some more research.

The most basic and helpful thing I can offer is this: if you're looking for a one-click or idiot-proof simple way to monitor most anything using SDR hardware and software, forget it - go buy a physical scanner to handle such things. SDR requires actual hands on effort to get things working. Even the simplest things that a physical scanner can do require time and effort to get done with SDR hardware and software, unfortunately.

It's complicated, it's not ever truly simple and easy, but in the long run you learn from the process of getting stuff working even if it takes multiple attempts and frustration levels that make you want to rip out the hardware and eat it and eventually it just kinda "makes sense" and that's when all the BS and trouble becomes worth it. ;)
 

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will i went after it again... i have it setup and dsd is pumpin out noise.. i have uni tracking .. the only issue iam seein .. uni isnt tracking rite freqs...

i have the system on a 800mhz scanner with a dtap and DSD plus running.. the locals leave it on 1 c channel .. no jumpping around.. and it works.. i get good decoding ..

the freqs are like 851.2625 , 852.5750. uni is showin on the info list that pops up ... freqs like 855.4625 and 858.2625 on 1st VCO c channel ... that is set to 859.2625... 2nd vco is set to 2nd control and it is 859.7125 and shows almost all the rite channels...

so i guess i have a lot to learn .. and tweakin and whaetever .. lol


any ideas what iam doing wrong? or not doing at all ..
 

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think i found part of the issue. for some reason uni doesnt see 2 dongels. it only using one. even in the drop down.. i think as the id's are the same .. on both uni windows. signel and voice
 

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That was a problem in the past but the latest Zadig drivers as well as using the latest preview build of Unitrunker should allow both sticks to be seen and identified discretely (separate IDs). You could try reinstalling the Zadig drivers and making sure you're using that latest preview build, can't hurt.

As for the frequencies, one stick is only for the control channel frequency aka the Signal receiver - the other stick would be the Voice receiver and will tune the voice channels when assigned by the control channel as needed. You set the Park frequency for the Signal receiver for the control channel frequency - the Voice receiver needs nothing set for a Park frequency (technically) because it'll be the one that hops around.

But if you're only making use of one RTL stick then yep, that's a problem that needs to be resolved before things will work efficiently.
 

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yeah even went to the preview download folder. to newest by date. 9/2015 newest. still no go.. grrrrr

version 1.0.33.4.msi seems to be newest. by date also
 

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its for sure uni the issue..

i an sdr sharp. it shows both dongels. i set to dongel 0 and click play it fires up and i unplug it and sdr sharp goes dead..
same with dongel 1 .. unplug it and bang. so there working fine ..

no idea in unitrunker where else besides in the edit window next to interface .. it drops down and only dongel 1 and 2nd enter is the windows long code like .... 6&f&e45r type code... no dongel 0 at all 33 and 34 build grrr
 

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That sounds normal, actually, this is what my Unitrunker drop down looks like:

Voice_RTL.png


So if you see something like that you've got both sticks working and Unitrunker sees both 'of 'em, you just have to figure out which one corresponds to which entry. That funky thing with the alphanumeric characters is the second stick for me.
 

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mmmm both show interface 0 tho... and i have in system window. interface 0 and 1 .. so now iam lost.. why windows would go 0 then 1 .. yet uni only says 0 on both ..
 

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omg i wanna pull what hair i have left././ before i had something....

now i got zero... it really doesnt need to be this hard. if someone who knew how to program would step up and fix it. damn
 

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o will.. i got it back working.. but its not keeping up with the audio..
i get tv audio now and again .. form the local digi tvs.

lots of unrecoverable NID showing in DSD..
i have a good c channel so bugs to work out not sure.
 

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Hello KB2;

Each RTL sticks presents two interfaces over the USB port. One interface "0" is for the on-board SDR chip. The other interface "1" is for the IR (infrared remote) receiver (which most SDR software never use).

Ignore interface 1. If you have two RTL sticks, you should see two devices - each with "Interface 0" in the name (much like br0adband's image).

Some suggestions:

1. when running just one VCO per RTL device, reduce your sample rate to 960 ksps. This will save lots of CPU.
2. the drift correction value accepts decimals. You can go down to 1/16th.
3. use the window value to assist in fine tuning your correction value.
4. if you plan on turning on drift auto correction, you must set a working squelch value on the first VCO.
5. the gain value is roughly 10 times the value you see in SDR#. You will likely use a value a bit higher than what works in SDR#.
 

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ty for the info.

2= where do i find the decimals needed or is it guess?

3 window value ?
 

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2 = Tune to your local NOAA station and center the waveform. The values will be different for different dongles unless you are very lucky.

3 = Not sure I know what he means there.
 

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I'm guessing by "window value" what was meant is the Window value that's displayed on the VCO tab of Unitrunker, maybe? I've never really understood what that value is meant to convey to be honest. On mine currently it's constantly changing as expected from values as low as -55 to as high as +90 - maybe Rick can chime in here again if he sees this particular question:

What exactly is the Window value on the VCO tab (under RSSI) meant to represent?
 

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br0adband:

The window value provides some measure of how out-of-tune the VCO is relative to the true center of the current signal.

A value close to zero is ideal. Larger values like +/- 30 or more may mean you need to adjust your PPM value up or down.

The value only has meaning when a signal is actually present.

KB2

It's trial and error to find a more accurate PPM value.
 

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Awesome, now it finally makes sense in that respect. Checking on my Signal RTL stick (with the constant CC reception) and it's showing a -9, the Voice stick is showing -10 so I guess that's a good thing at casual glance. Both sticks had been "off" for a few minutes while I was testing something and as they warmed up again the Window values went from large values down to the almost steady ones I just mentioned.

What I'm going to presume is that it's not just an issue with the frequency on my end but also what the actual frequency is being transmitted on meaning the site transmitter isn't necessarily perfect either and probably has some drift depending on conditions/weather/hardware usage, etc.

Always great to know what every little aspect of Unitrunker happens to be relaying. ;)
 

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Checkout Vasili's # scanner plugins, or hell, all of them. I like both the fast scanner plugin for wide band scans or high bandwidth screen scans...My favorite of his is the one that replaces the standard SDR# frequency manager to give you scanning options... you can lower the "Detect ms" value with that one too. FMsuite is robust, very robust.
 
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