Greene County Tennessee

[tgoode]

Just moved to TN and I'm looking for some help with programming my SDS100 for Greene county.

Radio reference lists:
30800 Te GREENEVILLE PD 1 Greeneville Police 1
30801 Te GREENEVILLE PD 2 Greeneville Police 2
30813 T GREENEVILLE FD 1 Greeneville Fire Dispatch
48200 Te Greene Co SO Sheriff Dispatch
48207 Te Greene Co EMS EMS Dispatch
48213 D Greene Co A/C Animal Contol

But all I can hear is 48213 Animal Contol and 30813 Greeneville Fire Dispatch. Have the others gone full "TE" encrypted and they just haven't been updated in RR yet? Because they only show "Te" or "T" or "D". How would I know if they are full encypted if that is the case?

I have the following towers programmed: Greeneville, Viking Mountain, Sneedville, Fall Branch, Buffalo Mountain, Bays Mountain

Also, I can hear the TN State Patrol 47018 Dispatch 1 just fine using the same towers.

Thanks everyone for your help.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

How would I know if they are full encypted if that is the case?

Do a channel hold on any given talkgroup you're unsure about. You may hear a brief data blip and you'll see ENCRY flash up on the top portion of the screen. If in scan mode, watch the screen and you may see the talkgroups in question appear for a fraction of a second before the scan resumes again. If no traffic whatsoever is heard "in the clear" on said talkgroups after a period of time (days?, will vary depending on how active talkgroup usually is) then it'd be safe to assume full encryption

 

[tgoode]

Do a channel hold on any given talkgroup you're unsure about. You may hear a brief data blip and you'll see ENCRY flash up on the top portion of the screen. If in scan mode, watch the screen and you may see the talkgroups in question appear for a fraction of a second before the scan resumes again. If no traffic whatsoever is heard "in the clear" on said talkgroups after a period of time (days?, will vary depending on how active talkgroup usually is) then it'd be safe to assume full encryption

Thanks for the guidance. Does it matter which of the 2 displays I use to see the "ENCRY" indicator? I typically use advanced.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Thanks for the guidance. Does it matter which of the 2 displays I use to see the "ENCRY" indicator? I typically use advanced.

Simple vs detailed? I don't have my SDS100 in front of me at the moment but I'm pretty sure it'll show up on either mode. I'm certain I'll be promptly corrected if I'm wrong

 

[tgoode]

Simple vs detailed? I don't have my SDS100 in front of me at the moment but I'm pretty sure it'll show up on either mode. I'm certain I'll be promptly corrected if I'm wrong

Gotya. Well I don't see it in advanced but I do in fact see the talkgroup name come up for a split second or 2 with no audio. So I guess RR just isn't updated and only 2 of the 6 talkgroups are in the clear. Major bummer. LOL Although I understand the law enforement concern, I just don't undestand why they would fully encrypt EMS dispatch but then leave Fire in the clear. Thanks for your help though.

 

[zachgallop]

I was told that the Sheriff and EMS talk groups for Greene County are fully encrypted and I submitted them that way but the admins did not want to change it to full encryption at the time when I contacted them again about it the encryption being strapped in the radio settings on those talk groups. I have no idea but Greeneville PD 1 was originally unencrypted when they switched over, so it may be partial but they eventually did implement encryption as the database reflects. Greeneville switched over a while prior to the three Greene County agencies switching over to TACN.

 

[RayAir]

I was told that the Sheriff and EMS talk groups for Greene County are fully encrypted and I submitted them that way but the admins did not want to change it to full encryption at the time when I contacted them again about it the encryption being strapped in the radio settings on those talk groups. I have no idea but Greeneville PD 1 was originally unencrypted when they switched over, so it may be partial but they eventually did implement encryption as the database reflects. Greeneville switched over a while prior to the three Greene County agencies switching over to TACN.

Full-time ADP encryption.

 

[Bootyhunter]

Gotya. Well I don't see it in advanced but I do in fact see the talkgroup name come up for a split second or 2 with no audio. So I guess RR just isn't updated and only 2 of the 6 talkgroups are in the clear. Major bummer. LOL Although I understand the law enforement concern, I just don't undestand why they would fully encrypt EMS dispatch but then leave Fire in the clear. Thanks for your help though.

No tax funded organization should be fully encrypted. Law enforcement needs a tactical channel for hostage situations and mass shootings, bank robberies etc, I will agree with that. But regular patrol and operations should NOT be encrypted. Under NO circumstances should Fire or Ems be encrypted. If the companies that make scanners know whats good for them, they would be hiring lobbyists to get laws passed to remove the encryption. I havent bought a new scanner in 20 years, and never will again unlese the Encryption is removed.

 

[buddrousa]

With Fire and EMS now both running Medical Calls Patients Names and Medical Conditions could be a gray line with the Hippa Laws that must be followed. Just a question would you want you and your family names and Medical Conditions broadcast in the clear for everyone to hear?

 

[Bootyhunter]

Well seeing as how I worked 31 1/2 years as a Firefighter/Paramedic. I am more than qualified to amswer this. You dont give patient names on the radio. You get dispatched to "medical emergency at 1234 anystreet" then get the info on an ipad in the cab of the truck. So your argument is very misinformed and ignorant of reality. I tell you what I do want, government agencies not operating under a cloak and feeling they can saybir do anything with no retribution.

With Fire and EMS now both running Medical Calls Patients Names and Medical Conditions could be a gray line with the Hippa Laws that must be followed. Just a question would you want you and your family names and Medical Conditions broadcast in the clear for everyone to hear?

 

[zachgallop]

With Fire and EMS now both running Medical Calls Patients Names and Medical Conditions could be a gray line with the Hippa Laws that must be followed. Just a question would you want you and your family names and Medical Conditions broadcast in the clear for everyone to hear?

In my opinion, HIPAA Laws are not violated by broadcasting information over the radio by any first responders. HIPAA actually allows for
any and all treatment-related disclosures of patient information even over the radio by Ambulance services and Dispatch. Also, when you do a public records request for radio traffic that is recorded from Fire and EMS channels that may even contain "personally identifying information" none of that information is redacted. There is a catch all phrase in the open records law even when it is not expressly mentioned within Tennessee Code (TCA) as an exemption to the Tennessee Open Records Law that other laws apply including federal laws such as FERPA and HIPAA. As well as, Tennessee Rules of Criminal Procedure. I have only ever had some information redacted like a social security number and drivers license number on recorded Law Enforcement channels. It is not private information, in fact the information broadcasted over Fire and EMS channels is almost always considered public information. If they could apply HIPAA to public records request of radio traffic, there would be a lot of agencies probably jumping at the chance not to release that information.

 

[buddrousa]

My professional license states a big gray line I hade rather not cross. But if you are will to foot the bill just incase you are wrong that would be your choice

 

[Bootyhunter]

My professional license states a big gray line I hade rather not cross. But if you are will to foot the bill just incase you are wrong that would be your choice

What are you even talking about?? Calls being dispatched is not a HIPPA violation, PERIOD. Fires and police matters definetely not a HIPPA violation. Everyone so worried about violating OTHERS rights, you better be worrying about YOUR rights being violated with all this secrecy and encryption.

 

[buddrousa]

So it does not bother you your boss has a scanner and I am dispatched to you for a overdose mental breakdown these could cost you your job.
Do you have a Tn Medical License? Our school taught us anything said in public that could Identify a person or make reference to their medical condition is a hippa violation.

 

[Bootyhunter]

So it does not bother you your boss has a scanner and I am dispatched to you for a overdose mental breakdown these could cost you your job.
Do you have a Tn Medical License? Our school taught us anything said in public that could Identify a person or make reference to their medical condition is a hippa violation.

Yep, had a Tennessee license since 1992. Nope dont bother me one bit. Maybe if more of that happened then less workplace violence would take place. Would you want your wife or daughter working at a place with some wack job that still had his job becuase of "radio silence"??

 

[buddrousa]

Been in the Government Occupation dating back to 1983 and as a Government Employee I hear the traffic.
That is why I work 2 jobs and my Loving wife gets to sit at home and not have to work.

 

[W4EMS]

Agree with bud, it is a fine line and the PS radio community has many lawyers advising PS entities to E to avoid risk. And there are risks. These days criminals may well decide to ambush LE rather than run. And many folks would rather others not know their medical history. Before cell phone scanner apps it was much less of a problem.

 

[Bootyhunter]

Agree with bud, it is a fine line and the PS radio community has many lawyers advising PS entities to E to avoid risk. And there are risks. These days criminals may well decide to ambush LE rather than run. And many folks would rather others not know their medical history. Before cell phone scanner apps it was much less of a problem.

You will do great in big brothers world. Where they watch and track everything you do, but you cant be privy to anything they do.